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A view from a Swiss doctor with a lot of details as to the situation in Italy. Somewhat of running daily log of findings.

 

A Swiss Doctor on Covid-19 – Swiss Propaganda Research

 

Some excerpts (less than 50%):

 

March 22:

 

Regarding the situation in Italy: Most major media falsely report that Italy has up to 800 deaths per day from the coronavirus. In reality, the president of the Italian Civil Protection Service stresses that these are deaths „with the coronavirus and not from the coronavirus“ (minute 03:30 of the press conference). In other words, these persons died while also testing positive.

 

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Current test-positive death figures in Italy are still less than 50% of normal daily overall mortality in Italy, which is around 1800 deaths per day. Thus it is possible, perhaps even likely, that a large part of normal daily mortality now simply counts as „Covid19“ deaths (as they test positive). This is the point stressed by the President of the Italian Civil Protection Service.

 

According to Italian Professor Walter Ricciardi, „only 12% of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus“, whereas in public reports „all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus“.

 

March 23rd:

 

A leading Italian doctor reports that „strange cases of pneumonia“ were seen in the Lombardy region already in November 2019, raising again the question if they were caused by the new virus (which officially only appeared in Italy in February 2020), or by other factors, such as the dangerously high smog levels in Northern Italy.

 

Switzerland: Despite media panic, excess mortality still at or near zero: the latest testpositive „victims“ were a 96yo in palliative care and a 97yo with pre-existing conditions.

 

March 24:

 

The UK has removed Covid19 from the official list of High Consquence Infectious Diseases (HCID), stating that mortality rates are „low overall“.

 

The director of the German National Health Institute (RKI) admitted that they count all test-positive deaths, irrespective of the actual cause of death, as „coronavirus deaths“. The average age of the deceased is 82 years, most with serious preconditions. As in most other countries, excess mortality due Covid19 is likely to be near zero in Germany.

 

 

March 25:

 

Using data from the cruise ship Diamond Princess, Stanford Professor John Ioannidis showed that the age-corrected lethality of Covid19 is between 0.025% and 0.625%, i.e. in the range of a strong cold or the flu.

 

March 26:

 

Italy: The renowned Italian virologist Giulio Tarro argues that the mortality rate of Covid19 is below 1% even in Italy and is therefore comparable to influenza. The higher values only arise because no distinction is made between deaths with and by Covid19 and because the number of (symptom-free) infected persons is greatly underestimated.

 

Link has diagrams and pictures. One is of the smog in Italy in February 2020 that is an interesting picture.

 

 

There is also a link to an English version of Italy statistics I posted a few days ago. Here is that link:

 

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_20_marzo_eng.pdf

 

 

Take care all.

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My mother is a pharm tech at Walmart, and she said they are installing Plexiglass at her pharmacy. Which in hindsight, makes me wonder why that wasn't more common to begin with?

 

Also just found my nephew, who is in the army, was just diagnosed. He's 22, and healthy, and doing fine.

We are learning that there are a whole big bunch of things that should be done differently.

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Thanks Bluegrasscard! Goes to show you that statistics can be skewed quite a bit.

 

Figures lie and liars figure as they say.

 

We know there is noise in the data. Its now coming out that there is a lot of noise. But news outlets get paid by views, eyeballs, etc. So sensationalizing things, especially in headlines is more than typical.

 

So get a many sources as possible. Try to get the root sources. Either this thing is a modern plague or its a bad flu or somewhere in-between - the data is still not telling us. And ANYTHING and EVERYTHING coming out of or sourced from China has to be taken with a pound of salt. ALL communications from China go through government controlled gateways. Nothing gets out without government approval. Any individual twitter post, or other 'on-the-ground data' or other information from China has to be cleared by CCP. Just keep that in mind.

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Thanks for posting @Bluegrasscard.

 

I believe at this time they should err on attributing every death of someone with CV19 to the virus. They can further define the cause later if other factors contributed to the death.

 

We had some discussion of this previously here on BGP.

 

I agree VoR.

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Thanks for posting @Bluegrasscard.

 

I believe at this time they should err on attributing every death of someone with CV19 to the virus. They can further define the cause later if other factors contributed to the death.

 

We had some discussion of this previously here on BGP.

 

So when does the known and accurate data get reported? Why make assumptions - invalid assumptions - on data that should and can have far more clarity and accuracy. And as noted in the Italy data - its not hard to do and can easily be provided. The virus is now known to be fairly widespread, especially in care centers and likely in hospitals. Many have it or had it and show zero symptoms. And NOW we know - when it comes to accurate mortality counts - deaths that are attributable to the virus are likely being overstated by an order of magnitude.

 

When safer-than-sorry in the current implementation of that approach will lead to hundreds of thousands of premature deaths then the questions need to asked - why can we not see accurate data?

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A view from a Swiss doctor with a lot of details as to the situation in Italy. Somewhat of running daily log of findings.

 

A Swiss Doctor on Covid-19 – Swiss Propaganda Research

 

Some excerpts (less than 50%):

 

March 22:

 

Regarding the situation in Italy: Most major media falsely report that Italy has up to 800 deaths per day from the coronavirus. In reality, the president of the Italian Civil Protection Service stresses that these are deaths „with the coronavirus and not from the coronavirus“ (minute 03:30 of the press conference). In other words, these persons died while also testing positive.

 

....

 

Current test-positive death figures in Italy are still less than 50% of normal daily overall mortality in Italy, which is around 1800 deaths per day. Thus it is possible, perhaps even likely, that a large part of normal daily mortality now simply counts as „Covid19“ deaths (as they test positive). This is the point stressed by the President of the Italian Civil Protection Service.

 

According to Italian Professor Walter Ricciardi, „only 12% of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus“, whereas in public reports „all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus“.

 

March 23rd:

 

A leading Italian doctor reports that „strange cases of pneumonia“ were seen in the Lombardy region already in November 2019, raising again the question if they were caused by the new virus (which officially only appeared in Italy in February 2020), or by other factors, such as the dangerously high smog levels in Northern Italy.

 

Switzerland: Despite media panic, excess mortality still at or near zero: the latest testpositive „victims“ were a 96yo in palliative care and a 97yo with pre-existing conditions.

 

March 24:

 

The UK has removed Covid19 from the official list of High Consquence Infectious Diseases (HCID), stating that mortality rates are „low overall“.

 

The director of the German National Health Institute (RKI) admitted that they count all test-positive deaths, irrespective of the actual cause of death, as „coronavirus deaths“. The average age of the deceased is 82 years, most with serious preconditions. As in most other countries, excess mortality due Covid19 is likely to be near zero in Germany.

 

 

March 25:

 

Using data from the cruise ship Diamond Princess, Stanford Professor John Ioannidis showed that the age-corrected lethality of Covid19 is between 0.025% and 0.625%, i.e. in the range of a strong cold or the flu.

 

March 26:

 

Italy: The renowned Italian virologist Giulio Tarro argues that the mortality rate of Covid19 is below 1% even in Italy and is therefore comparable to influenza. The higher values only arise because no distinction is made between deaths with and by Covid19 and because the number of (symptom-free) infected persons is greatly underestimated.

 

Link has diagrams and pictures. One is of the smog in Italy in February 2020 that is an interesting picture.

 

 

There is also a link to an English version of Italy statistics I posted a few days ago. Here is that link:

 

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_20_marzo_eng.pdf

 

 

Take care all.

 

We may look back and see this crisis was overblown, but this report seems sketchy like a conspiracy theory report. IMO, it's irresponsible and dangerous to publish something like this at this time.

If a person was living with their conditions, but contracted the virus and then died, they died from the virus.

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