Will there be high school football this fall?

[Hardin County Preps]

Ok, here we go.

Let's use critical thinking and logic here.

If you believe in the science;

99.97% deaths from COVID-19 are in people over 15 years old

99.9% are in people over 24 years old

The hospital rate for influenza according to the CDC is much higher than for COVID-19

The JAMA pediatric study states that "the risk of critical illness from COVID-19 is far less than seasonal influenza".

82% of teachers nationwide are under age 55 years old, not a high risk category of adults.

50% are under 41 years old.

For teachers that are high risk, they should be able to  believe in what the CDC says about masks and social distancing in the classroom the same as when they go to Walmart, grocery stores and other essential businesses. If they are still afraid, they could teach remotely from home. There is no need to lock up the children!

It is proven that children have no significant risk to COVID-19

It is proven that influenza is worse than COVID-19 for children

It is proven that children do not transmit COVID-19 significantly to adults

All these are proven facts.

Name another country that is NOT sending kids back to school?

Data shows that it doesn't matter if children get COVID-19, they don't get sick from it!

Either you believe in the science or not. You can't say you believe in the science yet act contrary to it. 

There is no rational reason or science that says children transmit the disease significantly to adults.

Let's get the kids back in school. The slogan "safer at home" assumes that all  children are safe in their home environment yet how many children are in 1 parent households?

[rjs4470]

8 minutes ago, Hardin County Preps said:

Ok, here we go.

Let's use critical thinking and logic here.

If you believe in the science;

99.97% deaths from COVID-19 are in people over 15 years old

99.9% are in people over 24 years old

The hospital rate for influenza according to the CDC is much higher than for COVID-19

The JAMA pediatric study states that "the risk of critical illness from COVID-19 is far less than seasonal influenza".

82% of teachers nationwide are under age 55 years old, not a high risk category of adults.

50% are under 41 years old.

For teachers that are high risk, they should be able to  believe in what the CDC says about masks and social distancing in the classroom the same as when they go to Walmart, grocery stores and other essential businesses. If they are still afraid, they could teach remotely from home. There is no need to lock up the children!

It is proven that children have no significant risk to COVID-19

It is proven that influenza is worse than COVID-19 for children

It is proven that children do not transmit COVID-19 significantly to adults

All these are proven facts.

Name another country that is NOT sending kids back to school?

Data shows that it doesn't matter if children get COVID-19, they don't get sick from it!

Either you believe in the science or not. You can't say you believe in the science yet act contrary to it. 

There is no rational reason or science that says children transmit the disease significantly to adults.

Let's get the kids back in school. The slogan "safer at home" assumes that all  children are safe in their home environment yet how many children are in 1 parent households?

It's not just the age of teachers.  Some will have the underlying conditions that can lead to bad Covid outcomes.  I'm also not sure about the statment that "Children can't sigficantly transmit to adults".  If you have it, you can transmit it, right?  And more to that point, many children live with people who are vulnerable to the disease.  So while children may be largely unaffected, they still interact and are in contact with many who are more affected. It's just not as simple as you're saying it is.  

As far as what other countries are doing, most are doing some sort of modified schedule along with social distancing, and masks, with some going as few as one day a week, or only having 25% of their student population in the building at a time.  Under those guidelines, I'm not sure that sports are a good option.  Also, no other country has been affected to the extent that we have, so our plans should naturally be more conservative.

[Hellcats]

15 minutes ago, Hardin County Preps said:

Ok, here we go.

Let's use critical thinking and logic here.

If you believe in the science;

99.97% deaths from COVID-19 are in people over 15 years old

99.9% are in people over 24 years old

The hospital rate for influenza according to the CDC is much higher than for COVID-19

The JAMA pediatric study states that "the risk of critical illness from COVID-19 is far less than seasonal influenza".

82% of teachers nationwide are under age 55 years old, not a high risk category of adults.

50% are under 41 years old.

For teachers that are high risk, they should be able to  believe in what the CDC says about masks and social distancing in the classroom the same as when they go to Walmart, grocery stores and other essential businesses. If they are still afraid, they could teach remotely from home. There is no need to lock up the children!

It is proven that children have no significant risk to COVID-19

It is proven that influenza is worse than COVID-19 for children

It is proven that children do not transmit COVID-19 significantly to adults

All these are proven facts.

Name another country that is NOT sending kids back to school?

Data shows that it doesn't matter if children get COVID-19, they don't get sick from it!

Either you believe in the science or not. You can't say you believe in the science yet act contrary to it. 

There is no rational reason or science that says children transmit the disease significantly to adults.

Let's get the kids back in school. The slogan "safer at home" assumes that all  children are safe in their home environment yet how many children are in 1 parent households?

Some of your points have merit, most are assumptions since schools haven’t been open, but starting school as we have an exponentially higher rate of community spread than we did we shut down makes little sense. 

How many teachers and kids are willing to sacrifice?  Some have said “only” .02% of school age children would die from this.  Seems like a low number except that’s around 15,000 kids.  
 

How do you replace the teachers and admins and coaches you lose? 
 

I actually am for going back to school, but many want to throw the doors off and bust back in for selfish reasons.  A school return has to be calculated and safe.  

 

[Hellcats]

7 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:

It's not just the age of teachers.  Some will have the underlying conditions that can lead to bad Covid outcomes.  I'm also not sure about the statment that "Children can't sigficantly transmit to adults".  If you have it, you can transmit it, right?  And more to that point, many children live with people who are vulnerable to the disease.  So while children may be largely unaffected, they still interact and are in contact with many who are more affected. It's just not as simple as you're saying it is.  

As far as what other countries are doing, most are doing some sort of modified schedule along with social distancing, and masks, with some going as few as one day a week, or only having 25% of their student population in the building at a time.  Under those guidelines, I'm not sure that sports are a good option.  Also, no other country has been affected to the extent that we have, so our plans should naturally be more conservative.

Exactly, look at the daily rate of countries going to school and look at ours. 
 

We are lucky in Kentucky to be mostly rural , but a return to school and sports as normal will throw that advantage away. 

[Tigerpride94]

Tuesday vote will require JCPS to start year with non traditional school. Just saw via courier-journal report. Guess fall sports in Jefferson County won’t be played.

[Tkinslow]

10 minutes ago, Tigerpride94 said:

Tuesday vote will require JCPS to start year with non traditional school. Just saw via courier-journal report. Guess fall sports in Jefferson County won’t be played.

I don’t think there’s any chance football or In person school for that matter starts on time but I think at some point they both will happen and how weird will it be to be playing football in like February I think that would be strange but I still would take it over not at all.

[Tigerpride94]

Maybe could start season October 1st and play through November with December being playoffs. Push basketball start back by two weeks since some football players play basketball.

[TheDeuce]

2 hours ago, Hardin County Preps said:

Ok, here we go.

Let's use critical thinking and logic here.

If you believe in the science;

99.97% deaths from COVID-19 are in people over 15 years old

99.9% are in people over 24 years old

The hospital rate for influenza according to the CDC is much higher than for COVID-19

The JAMA pediatric study states that "the risk of critical illness from COVID-19 is far less than seasonal influenza".

82% of teachers nationwide are under age 55 years old, not a high risk category of adults.

50% are under 41 years old.

For teachers that are high risk, they should be able to  believe in what the CDC says about masks and social distancing in the classroom the same as when they go to Walmart, grocery stores and other essential businesses. If they are still afraid, they could teach remotely from home. There is no need to lock up the children!

It is proven that children have no significant risk to COVID-19

It is proven that influenza is worse than COVID-19 for children

It is proven that children do not transmit COVID-19 significantly to adults

All these are proven facts.

Name another country that is NOT sending kids back to school?

Data shows that it doesn't matter if children get COVID-19, they don't get sick from it!

Either you believe in the science or not. You can't say you believe in the science yet act contrary to it. 

There is no rational reason or science that says children transmit the disease significantly to adults.

Let's get the kids back in school. The slogan "safer at home" assumes that all  children are safe in their home environment yet how many children are in 1 parent households?

Can you cite your sources for these "proven facts?"

Thanks in advance. 

[LongTimeReader]

2 hours ago, Tigerpride94 said:

Tuesday vote will require JCPS to start year with non traditional school. Just saw via courier-journal report. Guess fall sports in Jefferson County won’t be played.

If Fall sports are pushed back, how will winter sports be played?

[rjs4470]

42 minutes ago, LongTimeReader said:

If Fall sports are pushed back, how will winter sports be played?

There's going to have to be some overlap when those practices begin but there's room if all seasons get shortened. Basketball get shortened to a 15 or 18 game schedule starting in January.  Wrestling already finishes a month before basketball, so it just starts later and ends later and has an otherwise normal season, although the venue for state championships could be an issue.  Then baseball/spring sports start practicing 3/15, with games starting in Mid April, playing 18-20 games.  Again, there's plenty of room for baseball as KY starts 2-3 weeks ahead of most states, and games in March and early April are a crapshoot at best with weather.   

[barrel]

Virginia it appears has canceled fall sports. 
 

I’m editing my post because I jumped the gun a little. They will vote on July 27 on the following is my understanding. 
 

MODEL 1
Leave sports in their current seasons, but only golf and cross country would be allowed to start in the fall because they fall into the lower to moderate contact category.
As high-risk sports, field hockey, football, volleyball and cheerleading would not play.

MODEL 2
Switch the fall and spring seasons, which means the following low and moderate sports would be allowed to compete in the fall: track and field, tennis, soccer, baseball and softball. Fall sports would be scheduled for the spring.
The high risk-sports, boys and girls lacrosse, would not be allowed to play. 

MODEL 3
All sports would remain in the season in which they are currently aligned, but a condensed interscholastic schedule would be adopted as follows:
Season 1 (Winter sports) would run Dec. 14-Feb. 20. The first contest would be Dec. 28.
Season 2 (Fall sports) would run Feb. 15-May 1 with the first contest starting March 1.
Season 3 (Spring sports) would run April 12-June 26 with the first contest starting April 26.

[barrel]

SC currently is going with schools starting September 8. 
 

FOOTBALL - Practice starts on Aug 17, games can start on Sept 11.  
7 game schedule with region/conference games prioritized first for play off seedings.  
Teams that play in region/conferences of less than 8 teams, game could be picked up at the end of the season.  
16 teams per classification qualify and 4 game play off, ending completed season on Nov 20 (2 weeks earlier than normal).
NO scrimmages or jamborees.

[LongTimeReader]

8 minutes ago, barrel said:

Virginia it appears has canceled fall sports. 
 

I’m editing my post because I jumped the gun a little. They will vote on July 27 on the following is my understanding. 
 

MODEL 1
Leave sports in their current seasons, but only golf and cross country would be allowed to start in the fall because they fall into the lower to moderate contact category.
As high-risk sports, field hockey, football, volleyball and cheerleading would not play.

MODEL 2
Switch the fall and spring seasons, which means the following low and moderate sports would be allowed to compete in the fall: track and field, tennis, soccer, baseball and softball. Fall sports would be scheduled for the spring.
The high risk-sports, boys and girls lacrosse, would not be allowed to play. 

MODEL 3
All sports would remain in the season in which they are currently aligned, but a condensed interscholastic schedule would be adopted as follows:
Season 1 (Winter sports) would run Dec. 14-Feb. 20. The first contest would be Dec. 28.
Season 2 (Fall sports) would run Feb. 15-May 1 with the first contest starting March 1.
Season 3 (Spring sports) would run April 12-June 26 with the first contest starting April 26.

I’d vote model 3. It’s hard given a choice not to allow kids an opportunity to play, even if they’re condensed.

[Skeeterback]

17 hours ago, Hardin County Preps said:

Let's say that we are able to play high school football in the state of Kentucky starting in September. What in the world happens to JV and freshman teams? I doubt that underclassmen will be allowed to play multiple games a week (JV/Varsity). 

Is there any discussion of delaying the start of the football season until spring to hopefully take advantage of an available vaccine? Students that play multiple sports would then have to decide on whether to play basketball or football. Or an abbreviated basketball season could run from January- March with football taking advantage of warmer spring weather and having their season run from March-May.

Even with a vaccine people will still get the corona. Eventually we have to decide to stop living in fear and move on.

[Pick-six]

1 hour ago, Skeeterback said:

Even with a vaccine people will still get the corona. Eventually we have to decide to stop living in fear and move on.

People act like if there is a vaccine everyone will take it.  How many people refuse the flu shot?  All I am saying is that a vaccine is not a 100% end all.