Russian Lawyer: I did not have Clinton Information.

[plantmanky]

Best Solution I've heard!!! :jump:

 

Bernie vs Pence, we still win, lol.

[jpa2825]

DT Jr. is, at best, guilty of poor judgment and attempted stupidity. He released the emails because he rightly determined that him doing so would be better than having the NY Times do it. They clearly show he, Kushner and Manafort went to the meeting hoping to get negative information regarding Clinton from someone close to / within the Russian government. I personally don't care if it's collusion, election law violation, treason, etc. It was stupid, amateurish, fully to be expected from "the gang who can't shoot straight" and should continue to be investigated by both Mueller and the MSM. Additionally, the fact that this is DT Jr.'s 3rd version of "the truth" within as many days doesn't give me much confidence that it's actually true.

 

Kushner is at greatest legal peril here. At some point, someone is going to get sick & tired of perjury on security clearance forms. He answered, under oath, that he didn't meet with foreigners. Then he admitted he actually met Kislyak - LIE #1; then he admitted he actually met the Russian banker - LIE #2; now he admits / doesn't deny that he met with the Russian attorney - LIE #3. Either strip his security clearance or stop making folks fill the forms out since they're meaningless.

 

Assuming anyone is telling the truth, hard to assume given past facts, who got played in this meeting? DT Jr., Kushner and Manafort went to meeting expecting dirt on Clinton and didn't get it. Russian lawyer claims she went there to discuss sanctions impacting Russian / US adoptions. If both were played, don't you have to assume the Russians were just fishing to see if they could get Trump campaign to bite? Once they new they had hungry fish (3 top campaign people show up to listen to an unvetted person who was waltzed into Trump Tower without any questions), what other bait did they put out and what did they catch?

 

Also, DJT can continue to talk about "Fake News" all he wants. The Washington Post and the NY Times will keep digging and putting notches on their holsters with every "anonymous source" that ends up being 100% accurate. That's what a free press is supposed to do - investigate and keep a check on whoever is in power. Without a free press we'd still take Flynn, Sessions, DT Jr. at their word - HA!

[BigVMan23]

Did Donald Trump Jr break the law? - BBC News

 

"Specifically, Section 30121 of Title 52 of federal campaign law, which deals with "contributions and donations by foreign nationals".

 

"It is illegal for a foreign government or a foreign national to give something of value to a candidate or campaign," says Nathaniel Persily, an election law expert and professor at Stanford Law School."

 

It could be.

 

Come on cats, lets not fool ourselves here. I think we all know this particular campaign law is referring to monetary gifts or things of monetary value...cars...land...lifetime supply of Uncle Boris' Premium Borscht. Something. If we are going to try to stretch the law that far to fit...if the law was a pair of underwear everyone on this board could wear it, at the same time.

 

Now, that's not to say there isn't another campaign law that fits...but so far it doesn't appear so.

[rockmom]

Is collusion against the law? I keep hearing "Collusion" said over and over, but this morning on one of the cable channels a guy interrupted the others and made the point that the collusion that is being claimed isn't illegal.

So if it's not illegal what's all this about?

 

It isn't illegal, to my understanding. I believe it is highly unethical, though. And the larger issue, in my opinion, is the utter disdain for the American people by anyone and everyone around and including the POTUS, completely denied any such activity for months.

 

Y'all can say anything you want. This administration has no will, nor intent, to make AMERICA great again. This whole fiasco is about making President Trump relevant again, and his family by extension. I'm done with the lot of them.

[Habib]

Probably the best reading to be found re: "collusion" and any criminal implications.

 

If Donald Trump Is a Crook, What Kind Is He? | Foreign Policy

[Sportsaholic Mamaw]

Did some digging and this story has a lot of legs. First the characters, Don Jr., Kushner,Manafort, Rob Goldstone, Natalia Veselnitskaya, Emin Agalarov, and Obama's Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul. Don Jr. was contacted by Goldstone, whom he had met while working on a Moscow Miss Universe Pageant, about a meeting with Veselnitskaya, who used a ruse about dirt on HRC just to get the meeting. They, Don Jr., Kushner and Manafort, then started to discuss adoptions but Veselnitskaya really wanted help with the Magnitsky Act. Kushner left after five minutes and Manafort wasn't in at all because he was on phone entire time he was in room. Meeting was ended after Don Jr. found there was nothing to discuss.

Eight days after the Trump Tower meeting, Veselnitskaya is at a congressional hearing sitting with Obama's Ambassador Michael McFaul and at a later congressional hearing sitting with McFaul is Veselnitskaya and Emin Agalarov who had also helped set up THE meeting. Veselnitskaya also worked with Fusion GPS, the DNC opposition research firm that produced the now fraudulent and discredited TRUMP DOSSIER. So now this has come full circle back to the Democrats and the Republican Establishment opposition to Candidate Trump. Another scheme cooked up by crooked politicians and their operatives. The only thing Don Jr. is guilty of is political gullibility not collusion.

[Sportsaholic Mamaw]

Thanks Purple Pride 92, and to think July 12th ,"Today is National Day of Civility".

[PurplePride92]

Thanks Purple Pride 92, and to think July 12th ,"Today is National Day of Civility".

 

You're welcome. :thumb:

[Science Friction]

Did Donald Trump Jr break the law? - BBC News

 

"Specifically, Section 30121 of Title 52 of federal campaign law, which deals with "contributions and donations by foreign nationals".

 

"It is illegal for a foreign government or a foreign national to give something of value to a candidate or campaign," says Nathaniel Persily, an election law expert and professor at Stanford Law School."

 

It could be.

 

Is opposition research "something of value" ? As Sarah Palin might say, "You Betcha! "

[Hellcats]

Did some digging and this story has a lot of legs. First the characters, Don Jr., Kushner,Manafort, Rob Goldstone, Natalia Veselnitskaya, Emin Agalarov, and Obama's Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul. Don Jr. was contacted by Goldstone, whom he had met while working on a Moscow Miss Universe Pageant, about a meeting with Veselnitskaya, who used a ruse about dirt on HRC just to get the meeting. They, Don Jr., Kushner and Manafort, then started to discuss adoptions but Veselnitskaya really wanted help with the Magnitsky Act. Kushner left after five minutes and Manafort wasn't in at all because he was on phone entire time he was in room. Meeting was ended after Don Jr. found there was nothing to discuss.

Eight days after the Trump Tower meeting, Veselnitskaya is at a congressional hearing sitting with Obama's Ambassador Michael McFaul and at a later congressional hearing sitting with McFaul is Veselnitskaya and Emin Agalarov who had also helped set up THE meeting. Veselnitskaya also worked with Fusion GPS, the DNC opposition research firm that produced the now fraudulent and discredited TRUMP DOSSIER. So now this has come full circle back to the Democrats and the Republican Establishment opposition to Candidate Trump. Another scheme cooked up by crooked politicians and their operatives. The only thing Don Jr. is guilty of is political gullibility not collusion.

 

:ohbrother:

[Hellcats]

Come on cats, lets not fool ourselves here. I think we all know this particular campaign law is referring to monetary gifts or things of monetary value...cars...land...lifetime supply of Uncle Boris' Premium Borscht. Something. If we are going to try to stretch the law that far to fit...if the law was a pair of underwear everyone on this board could wear it, at the same time.

 

Now, that's not to say there isn't another campaign law that fits...but so far it doesn't appear so.

 

I didn't write the article which pointed at problems. I am no lawyer, so take it up with the experts.

[halfback20]

Bernie vs Pence, we still win, lol.

 

Bernie scares me to death. Have you seen how much of your money he wants?

[plantmanky]

Bernie scares me to death. Have you seen how much of your money he wants?

 

No, I dont pay one bit of attention to Bernie.

[halfback20]

No, I dont pay one bit of attention to Bernie.

 

I don't either now. I did when there was a slim chance the nut could have been our President.

[Oldbird]

I don't either now. I did when there was a slim chance the nut could have been our President.

 

I used to say that Bernie could never be elected president because in order to defeat him all one would have to repeat is that "he is a socialist"; however, then we elected Trump and I realized I should never underestimate who the American voters will put in office.