Voice of Reason Posted August 24, 2021 Author Share Posted August 24, 2021 I really can't believe we don't allow people to smoke in public buildings. People should be allowed to smoke wherever they want, whenever they want - restaurants, hospitals, schools ... it's their right to smoke if they want to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeuce Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 9 hours ago, John Anthony said: Nobody should be pressured, coerced, or fear reprisal for refusing any medical treatment, including the Covid-19 vaccine. My 2 cents for what it’s worth. There are consequences to every action (and non-action). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincySportsFan Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Copied from a Facebook post... You are not vaccinated, I respect your choice. I am vaccinated, so in turn please respect my choice ... I'm vaccinated, not because of any laws, but: * To not die from Covid-19. * To NOT clutter a hospital bed if I get sick. * To hug my loved ones. * To not have to do PCR or antigenic tests to go to a dance, go to a restaurant, go on vacation and many more things to come ... * To live my life. * To have kids go back to school and play sports. * For Covid-19 to be an old memory. * To protect us. On the other hand, no, I don't know what's in it - neither in this vaccine, the ones I had as a child, nor in the Big Mac, or in hot dogs, or in other treatments, whether it's for cancer, AIDS, the one for polyarthritis, vaccines for infants or children. I also don't know what's in Ibuprofen, Tylenol, or other meds, it just cures my headaches, my pains ... I don't know what's in the ink for tattoos. In short ... There's a lot of things I don't know. I just know one thing: life is short, very short, so I still want to do something other than just going to work every day or staying cloistered at home. I still want to travel and hug people without fear, find a little feeling of life "before". As a child and as an adult I've been vaccinated for mumps, measles, rubella, polio, chicken pox, yellow fever and a few others; my parents and I trusted the science and never had to suffer through or transmit any of said diseases ... just saying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugatti Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 10 hours ago, John Anthony said: Nobody should be pressured, coerced, or fear reprisal for refusing any medical treatment, including the Covid-19 vaccine. My 2 cents for what it’s worth. Generally speaking, I agree. I believe there are exceptions to this rule, but I am not sure we are to that point, especially with a proven vaccine for those that want it. The only thing I struggle with in this situation is the hardship it is causing on hospitals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Anthony Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 2 hours ago, TheDeuce said: There are consequences to every action (and non-action). Freedom has never been a smooth endeavor. If this can be forced on us in the name of safety, that’s a very slippery slope my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBWC41 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, John Anthony said: Freedom has never been a smooth endeavor. If this can be forced on us in the name of safety, that’s a very slippery slope my friend. I agree. However, seatbelt laws for adults and helmet laws for motorcycles come to mind as safety being forced on us… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeuce Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, John Anthony said: Freedom has never been a smooth endeavor. If this can be forced on us in the name of safety, that’s a very slippery slope my friend. Nobody is being forced to take the vacccine. You have a choice. Choices have consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeuce Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, MBWC41 said: I agree. However, seatbelt laws for adults and helmet laws for motorcycles come to mind as safety being forced on us… Another great example that VoR presented is smoking in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Anthony Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 2 hours ago, TheDeuce said: Nobody is being forced to take the vacccine. You have a choice. Choices have consequences. You and I rarely agree so I’m not surprised we don’t on medical freedom. I must ask though, will Pfizer and soon Moderna stop forcing people to sign waivers, since it’s (fully approved?). I remember being a young healthcare worker with people coming in begging for this new miracle rheumatoid arthritis drug, Vioxx, freshly minted by FDA. I also remember people saying they felt light headed, 60,000 deaths later the FDA pulled it off the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeuce Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 1 minute ago, John Anthony said: You and I rarely agree so I’m not surprised we don’t on medical freedom. I must ask though, will Pfizer and soon Moderna stop forcing people to sign waivers, since it’s (fully approved?). There's nothing to agree/disagree about. Nobody is or will be forced to take any vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted August 24, 2021 Author Share Posted August 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, John Anthony said: You and I rarely agree so I’m not surprised we don’t on medical freedom. I must ask though, will Pfizer and soon Moderna stop forcing people to sign waivers, since it’s (fully approved?). I remember being a young healthcare worker with people coming in begging for this new miracle rheumatoid arthritis drug, Vioxx, freshly minted by FDA. I also remember people saying they felt light headed, 60,000 deaths later the FDA pulled it off the market. Vioxx is still available for use today. I am not sure the FDA ever pulled it off the market. One or two of the companies making it pulled it from the market. But it was further reviewed and approved for continued use by the FDA and in Canada also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Anthony Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 1 hour ago, TheDeuce said: There's nothing to agree/disagree about. Nobody is or will be forced to take any vaccine. You agree no public or private entity should be able to force medical vaccines on people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeuce Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, John Anthony said: You agree no public or private entity should be able to force medical vaccines on people? No, I don’t agree with that. But that’s not happening anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Anthony Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, TheDeuce said: No, I don’t agree with that. But that’s not happening anyway. If you don’t agree with that, you can’t sit here and say “nobody is being forced to vaccinate.” I’m confused on your position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeuce Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, John Anthony said: If you don’t agree with that, you can’t sit here and say “nobody is being forced to vaccinate.” I’m confused on your position? What’s confusing? I can imagine scenarios where it would be appropriate to “force” people to get vaccinated. That is not happening, and likely won’t. Just because an employer says “get the vaccine or find a new job,” that is not forcing you to get vaccinated. That’s forcing you to make a choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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