4 minutes ago, theguru said:

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I need to know how soon she’ll be home so I can finish my chores.  Lol.  

Some insight from reading on the Pfizer approval. 

1. Two "legally distinct" products exist.  Page 2 of letter from FDA to Pfizer. 
2. The new product is not yet manufactured.  All current distribution is based on the EUA version

Thus, as of now.  No FDA-approved is available for distribution - as of now.  The date for actual FDA-approved product has yet to be determined.  There are some gates to final approval; initiate manufacturing and initiate distribution. 

They likely will continue to distribute the EUA version till its exhausted.  Its interesting that they are "legally distinct".  That maybe related to liability. 

 

Any "mandate" that leaves out natural immunity is a complete fraud.  Here is an article from the Blaze today that says 15 studies indicate natural immunity is more robust than any of the vaccines.

From the article:

It's the 800-pound gorilla in the pandemic. The debate over forced vaccination with an ever-waning vaccine is cresting right around the time when the debate should be moot for a lot of people. Among the most fraudulent messages of the CDC's campaign of deceit is to force the vaccine on those with prior infection, who have a greater degree of protection against all versions of the virus than those with any of the vaccines. It's time to set the record straight once and for all that natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is broader, more durable, and longer-lasting than any of the shots on the market today. 

It should be obvious to any intellectually honest person that an unvaccinated individual with prior infection is exponentially safer to be around than someone who had the vaccines but not prior infection.

Now consider the fact that studies have shown those with prior infection are associated with 4.4x increased odds of clinically significant side effects following mRNA vaccination. Thus, it is as scandalous as it is unnecessary to vaccinate those with prior infection, even if one supports vaccination for those without prior immunity. But as you can imagine, that would take a massive share of the market off the table from the greedy hands of Big Pharma.

All the studies are listed at the below link, it is definitely worth reading if you are taking the time to read and post in this thread:

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-15-studies-that-indicate-natural-immunity-from-prior-infection-is-more-robust-than-the-covid-vaccines

29 minutes ago, theguru said:

Any "mandate" that leaves out natural immunity is a complete fraud.  Here is an article from the Blaze today that says 15 studies indicate natural immunity is more robust than any of the vaccines.

From the article:

It's the 800-pound gorilla in the pandemic. The debate over forced vaccination with an ever-waning vaccine is cresting right around the time when the debate should be moot for a lot of people. Among the most fraudulent messages of the CDC's campaign of deceit is to force the vaccine on those with prior infection, who have a greater degree of protection against all versions of the virus than those with any of the vaccines. It's time to set the record straight once and for all that natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is broader, more durable, and longer-lasting than any of the shots on the market today. 

It should be obvious to any intellectually honest person that an unvaccinated individual with prior infection is exponentially safer to be around than someone who had the vaccines but not prior infection.

Now consider the fact that studies have shown those with prior infection are associated with 4.4x increased odds of clinically significant side effects following mRNA vaccination. Thus, it is as scandalous as it is unnecessary to vaccinate those with prior infection, even if one supports vaccination for those without prior immunity. But as you can imagine, that would take a massive share of the market off the table from the greedy hands of Big Pharma.

All the studies are listed at the below link, it is definitely worth reading if you are taking the time to read and post in this thread:

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-15-studies-that-indicate-natural-immunity-from-prior-infection-is-more-robust-than-the-covid-vaccines

People that have had an infection and have high amounts of antibodies aren't the problem. It's people with no prior infection and no antibodies not getting vaccinated. 

7 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

People that have had an infection and have high amounts of antibodies aren't the problem. It's people with no prior infection and no antibodies not getting vaccinated. 

We agree but I think that group (people with no prior infection and no antibodies not getting vaccinated) should also be given an option to get purposely infected with COVID.  We should be training everyone up on the healthiest way to do it, the therapeutics, and anything that will help them to a speedy recovery.

12 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

People that have had an infection and have high amounts of antibodies aren't the problem. It's people with no prior infection and no antibodies not getting vaccinated. 

The unvaxxed that are non-symptomatic are not a problem.  If your ill you isolate.  If you are not symptomatic, your likely not spreading (science has shown this).  The apparent issue is that the vaxxed are have symptoms suppressed (unless they are a victim of ADE) and thus may have high spread with fewer to no symptoms. 

3 minutes ago, Bluegrasscard said:

The unvaxxed that are non-symptomatic are not a problem.  If your ill you isolate.  If you are not symptomatic, your likely not spreading (science has shown this).  The apparent issue is that the vaxxed are have symptoms suppressed (unless they are a victim of ADE) and thus may have high spread with fewer to no symptoms. 

Right, the vaxxed spreading it to the unvaxxed also appear to be a problem. 

Just now, theguru said:

Right, the vaxxed spreading it to the unvaxxed also appear to be a problem. 

Thus far, I will attest to natural vaxxing.  If that changes I will let folks know here. 

One couple I know did the vaxx thing.  They had anti-bodies testing done before vaxxing.  He had no ABs.  She did.  He did not get ill following vaxx. She did.  Both times.  That, anecdotally, maps to the stories that apparently those already with ABs tend to have more negative reaction.  

 

I mean, if y'all want to keep ignoring the vaxxed/unvaxxed hospital numbers, it is certainly your right to do so. 

2 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

I mean, if y'all want to keep ignoring the vaxxed/unvaxxed hospital numbers, it is certainly your right to do so. 

Given the manipulation of counting methods I find them hard to trust.  But even more so, I will go to anecdotal, but trusted, situations.  Three people I have direct knowledge of are vaxxed and hospitalized.  I have no knowledge of anyone that is unvaxxed and hospitalized. 

Of the vaxxed hospitalized 2 are covid.  One is younger (less than 30) and in medical field, the other older (upper middle aged).  Both hit hard.  ADE victims?  Hard to say. 

The third person is also younger (less than 30).  She is in ICU with diagnosis of myocarditis. 

Myocarditis is a known "side effect" of the vaxxes.  Unfortunately, it is a serious, usually long-term condition and one that usually hits people later in life - not when young. 

So, my direct knowledge does not match "the reported" at all.  Hence, reported data is suspect at best. 

Links on myocarditis:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-june-25-2021

 

 

1 hour ago, TheDeuce said:

I mean, if y'all want to keep ignoring the vaxxed/unvaxxed hospital numbers, it is certainly your right to do so. 

If that was directed at me in part not at all.  Clearly the vax is very helpful in stopping serious cases and death but that is a different part of the total equation. 

2 hours ago, Bluegrasscard said:

Given the manipulation of counting methods I find them hard to trust.  But even more so, I will go to anecdotal, but trusted, situations.  Three people I have direct knowledge of are vaxxed and hospitalized.  I have no knowledge of anyone that is unvaxxed and hospitalized. 

Of the vaxxed hospitalized 2 are covid.  One is younger (less than 30) and in medical field, the other older (upper middle aged).  Both hit hard.  ADE victims?  Hard to say. 

The third person is also younger (less than 30).  She is in ICU with diagnosis of myocarditis. 

Myocarditis is a known "side effect" of the vaxxes.  Unfortunately, it is a serious, usually long-term condition and one that usually hits people later in life - not when young. 

So, my direct knowledge does not match "the reported" at all.  Hence, reported data is suspect at best. 

Links on myocarditis:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-june-25-2021

 

 

Because you supposedly know two people who are vaxxed and in the hospital, the THOUSANDS of cases where it’s the opposite are now suspect? 

That just means you won’t believe anything you don’t agree with. Fair enough. 

I see it as a risk vs benefit analysis. There is more risk in getting covid than a side effect from vaccine. Only benefit from getting covid is if you recover you will most likely have antibodies. Vaccine has benefit of generating antibodies. Since I had no evidence of having covid through antibody test so I chose to get the vaccine. You never know if you will be the one where your immune system goes into cytokine storm if catch Covid. A lot of people in hospital didn't think if they caught covid would wind up in hospital but they did. I'd rather take my chances with the vaccine than risk catching covid with no antibodies. I don't believe in mandates but I recommend getting the vaccine.

11 hours ago, TheDeuce said:

Great!

Insurance premiums are higher for people that smoke at a lot of places. 

Yes because not getting a vaccine is just like using an addictive substance with known, well documented side effects.  Well I guess they are similar in that both do in fact have known side effects. The vaccine is just hundreds of years younger than commercialized cigarettes. 

The vaccine mandates are coming fast and furious now.