Sobering statistic

[Colonels_Wear_Blue]

Who is to say we didn't abort the next Timothy McVeigh, Osama Bin Laden, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc....

 

That game goes both ways.

 

Oh, I agree with you completely. It's just an interesting point to ponder.

[AverageJoesGym]

I know you are playing Devils Advocate....so not directed at you...but I wish human beings would take responsibility for their actions!!

 

In the entire course of human existence has that ever happened? We have killed each other by the millions for any number of reasons...most of them stupid.

[Colonels_Wear_Blue]

How many womens' lives have been saved by having access to legal abortions being performed by a medical doctor in a sterile setting rather than some back alley or makeshift setting that is filthy. Or because they used a coat hanger or some other ridiculous object or were left to bleed to death.

 

I'd dare say not as many as would be saved by a cure for cancer.

[spindoc]

How many womens' lives have been saved by having access to legal abortions being performed by a medical doctor in a sterile setting rather than some back alley or makeshift setting that is filthy. Or because they used a coat hanger or some other ridiculous object or were left to bleed to death.

Fewer than the ones that have been aborted.

[AverageJoesGym]

I have no idea. On the other hand, maybe one of the aborted children could answer all of these questions if they were allowed to live.

 

The fact is there is only a certain amount of room on earth. On that link that you posted did you notice how fast the birth rate is and how much it exceeds the death rate? Add in all those aborted babies and let it grow exponentially for a generation. Would you be willing to accept a strict food and water ration, limits on housing sizes and property ownership and eventually forced sterility? Because all of that would happen. Would you be willing to take in 2-3 of these unwanted children and help raise them? Just because you could force the parents to have them doesn't mean they will take care of them.

[bballfamily]

1. I believe Romney would like the laws regulating abortions to go back to what they were before Roe vs Wade.

Abortion would be allowed in situations affecting the mother's life or pregnancies caused by rape or incest.

 

2. As far as too many people, those theories have been around for centuries. One of the most famous was proposed by Thomas Malthus about 300 years ago,

proclaiming famine, war and disease. He did not allow for breakthroughs in farming. Nor have the modern day doomsayers, like the guy who wrote the population

bomb back in the 1970's. He too was was totally wrong. Modern day famines have been caused by mainly by governments trying to install socialist governments.

[lawildcat]

So it's ok for a woman to die as long as the baby is saved?

[Jim Schue]

I have no idea. On the other hand, maybe one of the aborted children could answer all of these questions if they were allowed to live.

 

Agreed. Who is to say that we haven't aborted the scientist to cure cancer, or AIDS, or malaria along with the millions upon millions of other lives that we have destroyed before they were born?

 

That's some great speculation there. Facts are that this world is grossly overpopulated as it is, and getting more so by the day. Were all those extra people here, we'd be killing folks off another way -- through nasty wars over water and other natural resources. We don't need those extra people.

 

It's not that I'm in support of abortion, it's just not a hot-button issue with me. I'm more concerned about the people who are already here. We can pine all we want about personal responsibility and some idyllic world where everyone is just that, but it doesn't change the fact that people are going to keep having sex.

[Jim Schue]

1. I believe Romney would like the laws regulating abortions to go back to what they were before Roe vs Wade.

Abortion would be allowed in situations affecting the mother's life or pregnancies caused by rape or incest.

 

2. As far as too many people, those theories have been around for centuries. One of the most famous was proposed by Thomas Malthus about 300 years ago,

proclaiming famine, war and disease. He did not allow for breakthroughs in farming. Nor have the modern day doomsayers, like the guy who wrote the population

bomb back in the 1970's. He too was was totally wrong. Modern day famines have been caused by mainly by governments trying to install socialist governments.

 

Totally ridiculous to try to apply that to these times. No modern advances in farming techniques are going to create more water. If all those people were on this earth, World War III would be going on right now, with fresh water as the main prize.

[bballfamily]

Totally ridiculous to try to apply that to these times. No modern advances in farming techniques are going to create more water. If all those people were on this earth, World War III would be going on right now, with fresh water as the main prize.

 

Did you ever take a look at all the water there is in the world? Yes, a lot of it is salt water, but it can be converted to fresh water.

Thomas Malthus had doubts aout advances as well.

[Jim Schue]

Did you ever take a look at all the water there is in the world? Yes, a lot of it is salt water, but it can be converted to fresh water.

Thomas Malthus had doubts aout advances as well.

 

Isn't it just like all the alternate fuel methods that are regularly poo-poohed by the oil industry -- too expensive? It certainly is in the places where it's most scarce, the Middle East and Africa. Pretty sure no American company is going to be volunteering to convert salt water to fresh water for free for those in the Arab deserts.

[True blue (and gold)]

1. I believe Romney would like the laws regulating abortions to go back to what they were before Roe vs Wade.

Abortion would be allowed in situations affecting the mother's life or pregnancies caused by rape or incest.

 

We all know that no abortions happened before Roe vs. Wade.

 

Again, why doesn't the baby that is the product of rape or incest have less of a right to life than a baby born from other sex acts?

[bballfamily]

Isn't it just like all the alternate fuel methods that are regularly poo-poohed by the oil industry -- too expensive? It certainly is in the places where it's most scarce, the Middle East and Africa. Pretty sure no American company is going to be volunteering to convert salt water to fresh water for free for those in the Arab deserts.

 

I know we are moving from the original topic, but LA has desalination plants and Saudi Arabia has heavily invested in making salt water in to fresh water.

[bballfamily]

We all know that no abortions happened before Roe vs. Wade.

 

Again, why doesn't the baby that is the product of rape or incest have less of a right to life than a baby born from other sex acts?

 

It is what the law was in many states in those days before Roe vs Wade, way back in the day.

[True blue (and gold)]

It is what the law was in many states in those days before Roe vs Wade, way back in the day.

 

Okay...and I don't mean this in an offensive way...but that does that matter?