Why?

[MJAlltheWay24]

I personally feel like there is a difference voting for someone based on their race, versus voting against someone based on their race. If you don't vote for someone just because of the race, you would probably be considered predjudice. If you do vote for someone based on their race, you are voting for someone you believe represents you.

 

Just throwing a different idea out there. Not sure I really believe it, bu I can at least see the logic behind it. And there is a difference between being racist and being predjudice (I am not exactly sure what that is, lol...but there is a fine line that seperates the two.)

[malachicrunch]

I personally feel like there is a difference voting for someone based on their race, versus voting against someone based on their race. If you don't vote for someone just because of the race, you would probably be considered predjudice. If you do vote for someone based on their race, you are voting for someone you believe represents you.

 

Just throwing a different idea out there. Not sure I really believe it, bu I can at least see the logic behind it. And there is a difference between being racist and being predjudice (I am not exactly sure what that is, lol...but there is a fine line that seperates the two.)

 

Using this logic, you feel it would be accepted if a white male pronounced on National TV that he was voting for McCain because he's white? You really think that would fly? I don't want to put words in LN's mouth, but I think maybe he is not looking as to the logic, but that maybe there is a double standard to what is considered PC or not.

[All Tell]

I respectfully disagree.

 

If someone comes out on national TV and says he (or she) is voting for McCain because he is white Jackson, Sharpton etal couldn't find a microphone fast enough to decry that person as a racist of the worst kind. In my mind someone who says he (or she) is voting for the Socialist Obama because he is black is just as guilty or racism. There's no gray area at all.

[MJAlltheWay24]

You all are right, I was just throwing that idea out there.

 

But, its not being racist, I believe it's being predjudice...IMO

[CCH05]

I have stayed away from the race issue that has been and will undoubtedly play a role in the election of our next President. But after listening to a radio station interview 6-8 African Americans last night and talk about the historic presumed nomination of Obama for President, I thought to myself: why?

 

Not why as to it being an historic event. Of course it is and I think Obama's nomination shows Wright and other hate mongerers that not only are they wrong in their message, they are way wrong.

 

But why is it okay for some African Americans to vote for Obama because he is an African American, but discriminatory for some Caucasians to vote against him because he is an African American? Several of those African Americans interviewed stated (remarkably I might add) that they weren't even sure of Obama's policies but they had voted for him in the primary and would vote for him in the general simply because he was an African American. If they can use the logic that they are going to vote for him because he is of the same skin color, why isn't it acceptable for others to vote against him because he is not of the same skin color?

 

In America's seemingly endless preoccupation to deal with our "guilt" over what happened in this country over 200 years (and for that matter happened in Africa itself), are we giving African Americans a pass to be discriminatory while at the same time, condemning Caucasians that discriminate? Shouldn't the same standard by applicable to all Americans? If not, why?

 

And don't for the moment think I am fine with voting against a person because of his/her skin color. I condemn such. But I equally condemn those that will vote for him simply because of his skin color. Yet there seems to be no condemnation in the press for those that do and will vote for him because of his skin color and I ask myself, why?

 

Was your thoughts the same when the race was between Reagan and Carter, Bush and Clinton,or Gore and Bush. Regarding all whites voting and blacks for either? Are for that matter, why most blacks always vote democratic? 97% of blacks voted for Gore and Kerry over Bush in 2000 and 2004 what was your thougts on why then? He that controls or rules need not take pride in what he controls or rules. To answer your question of why. It is pleasing and a great pleasure to see AMERICA move forward and open OPPORTUNITIES at the top for all. ONE NATION UNDER GOD .......THAT IS WHY. The thoughts across this great country that AMERICA is not ready for a black president, is not why some whites wont vote for Obama either.

[All Tell]

Was your thoughts the same when the race was between Reagan and Carter, Bush and Clinton,or Gore and Bush. Regarding all whites voting and blacks for either? Are for that matter, why most blacks always vote democratic? 97% of blacks voted for Gore and Kerry over Bush in 2000 and 2004 what was your thougts on why then? He that controls or rules need not take pride in what he controls or rules. To answer your question of why. It is pleasing and a great pleasure to see AMERICA move forward and open OPPORTUNITIES at the top for all. ONE NATION UNDER GOD .......THAT IS WHY.

 

You completely ignored the gist of the argument by dancing around the issue.

 

How is it any less racist for someone to come out and say they will vote for Obama because he is black (as many have) then for someone else to say he (or she) will vote for McCain because he is white?

[the mathemagician]

I would vote against a conservative Republican if my candidate was green.

 

 

Bottom line is many blacks will vote for Obama and many whites will vote against him solely because of skin color. Our country remains very racially divided. I have lived in small town and rural KY all my life, long enough to know how deep racism runs in this state.

[leatherneck]

I'd jump in here with a better response, but All Tell is doing a good job without me. :thumb:

 

Math I can certainly accept your view on not voting for conservative Republicans, regardless of their color. Voting for or against for philosophies, not skin color, is the way it should be.

 

And unfortunately, your second point is correct. AAs that vote for Obama because he is an AA are wrong, and Cs that vote against him because he is an AA are equally wrong. But it will be interesting to watch how the MSM covers it and distinquishes it.

[True blue (and gold)]

I think there might be slight difference here, though I do mostly agree with LNs original post.

 

If you say that you are voting for some one because you feel that their race is superior, that is racism. If you vote for someone because they represent a race or group of people that have never been in that position to lead, you aren't racist, but you may be overlooking some important points.

 

It may only be a slight difference, but it is still a difference, I think.

[Hatz]

And you are implying that there has never been a Caucasian killed by African Americans because of the Caucasian's skin color?

 

I don't mean to jump into your conversation (late) with Pigman but the difference IMHO is the authorities "looked the other way" at best and "sanctioned" the violence at worse. That is the difference.

[Gunner11]

I don't mean to jump into your conversation (late) with Pigman but the difference IMHO is the authorities "looked the other way" at best and "sanctioned" the violence at worse. That is the difference.

 

And neither makes it right to use as a basis for voting on a candidate because of the color of his/her skin...

[halfback20]

I'm absolutely certain that if the Socialist Obama loses Kentucky we will all be painted as racists, just like when he lost the primary.

 

There are a lot of people in Kentucky that are not racist. However, there are a lot of people in Kentucky, West Virginia, and other states that are extremely racist. I watched the news the other day where a few people were interviewed and actually claimed ON TELEVISION that they were not going to vote for a black man simply because of his race.

 

This will probably happen a lot come election time...

[Hatz]

And neither makes it right to use as a basis for voting on a candidate because of the color of his/her skin...

 

I don't believe that was in my response.

 

I was responding to Leatherneck's statment. :thumb:

[Habib]

I think there might be slight difference here, though I do mostly agree with LNs original post.

 

If you say that you are voting for some one because you feel that their race is superior, that is racism. If you vote for someone because they represent a race or group of people that have never been in that position to lead, you aren't racist, but you may be overlooking some important points.

 

It may only be a slight difference, but it is still a difference, I think.

 

:thumb: I think that is a great post.

 

Would Nelson Mandela's presidency have carried the same weight and meaning if he were white?

[Gunner11]

I don't believe that was in my response.

 

I was responding to Leatherneck's statment. :thumb:

 

Agreed. And I was getting back to what LN's main argument is.