plantmanky Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 When a penalty occurs inside the 10 yard line then it should be an automatic 1st down. I hate that when a team is about to score and inside the 5 yard line or so and the defense holds or their is a PI in the endzone that if it was 3rd down, it stays 3rd down. It is an advantage to the defense to do whatever they can on a 3rd and goal to prevent a TD even if that includes purposely getting called for a penalty. The offense doesn't really have an advantage. I witnessed this first hand this year during a Cooper game when Cooper was inside the 10 and it was a 3rd and goal and their was a Defensive Penalty and basically instead of getting a 1st and goal it was just a replay of 3rd down. That is one rule I wish was changed. So if the offense commits a foul, your ok with loss of down correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTiger55 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Negative, too much home cooking running the clock in HS for that to happen. Back judge has a buzzer, leave this one in the officials hands. Hmm good point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjs4470 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 When a penalty occurs inside the 10 yard line then it should be an automatic 1st down. I hate that when a team is about to score and inside the 5 yard line or so and the defense holds or their is a PI in the endzone that if it was 3rd down, it stays 3rd down. It is an advantage to the defense to do whatever they can on a 3rd and goal to prevent a TD even if that includes purposely getting called for a penalty. The offense doesn't really have an advantage. I witnessed this first hand this year during a Cooper game when Cooper was inside the 10 and it was a 3rd and goal and their was a Defensive Penalty and basically instead of getting a 1st and goal it was just a replay of 3rd down. That is one rule I wish was changed. For all penalties?? I might go for this if you're referring to defensive holding/PI, as those can fundamentally change outcomes. Many coaches teach to take the PI over giving up a TD. But for simple penalties like encroachment, I'd definitely be against that rule. And if you did change DH/PH to automatice first down inside the 10, I think you'd need that to be the rule on all parts of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Tell Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Negative, too much home cooking running the clock in HS for that to happen. Back judge has a buzzer, leave this one in the officials hands. Disagree. All the back judge has to do is look up and see if the clock is running or not. Our bordering states us them and they survive. It's better for the players (QBs) on the field if play clocks are visible. Isn't it supposed to be about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumper_Dad Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Negative, too much home cooking running the clock in HS for that to happen. Back judge has a buzzer, leave this one in the officials hands. All back judge has to do is look up at the play clock to make sure it starts when it should, no different than home cooking refs short clocking teams. I'd rather everyone be able to see the play clock than just one guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big East Zebra Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Get rid of the 5 yard facemask, it's a safety issue they should all be 15 yards and it should be called on a runner who stiff arms a defensive player as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truebluefan89 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 When does a rugby kicker become a runner? When he takes off laterally, exactly at what point, not sure, possibly two steps? My objection is the kicking teams gunners are already 10-15 yards downfield before the kick occurs, a clear one-sided advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 STAR Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just get rid of the horse collar. Never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongopenyon Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Do not commit the penalty and you wont have the impact. By not calling it the way I think it should be called has a huge impact to. Very unfair to the team that the infraction was committed against. They should have had a 50 yard gain but under the current set up, they lose 35 yards. No....they gain 15 yards. I totally agree with Voice of Reason on this one. He makes very good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldercoach Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I say get rid of the taunting rules. If a kid wants to gloat, let him gloat. I realize that's unrealistic, but it's just my opinion, I hate that an emotional game isn't allowed to be played with emotion sometimes. Sorry to disagree Pi; but this dinosaur sees one of a coach's most important jobs is to mold young men into conducting themselves with honor and integrity on the competitive field. What is more, we hope those lessons spill over into how they conduct themselves in life. The gloating..."look at me" focus unfortunately we too often see is emblematic of core problems in today's society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbird Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 So if the offense commits a foul, your ok with loss of down correct? Yes if it is a loss of down type of penalty (intentional grounding etc.) If not I have no problem with moving them back 5, 10 or 15 yds depending on the penalty and repeat the down. Remember the defense can always decline the penalty if the offense is stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbird Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 For all penalties?? I might go for this if you're referring to defensive holding/PI, as those can fundamentally change outcomes. Many coaches teach to take the PI over giving up a TD. But for simple penalties like encroachment, I'd definitely be against that rule. And if you did change DH/PH to automatice first down inside the 10, I think you'd need that to be the rule on all parts of the field. I would go with the same as a penalty would be anywhere else on the field unless the line of scrimmage is inside the 10 for a 10 yard penalty or inside the 5 and a penalty would be a 5 yard mark off. In other words if the los is inside the 5 and an encroachment penalty is called then half the distance and automatic 1st Down. If the los is at the 11 then half the distance and repeat the down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrel Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Disagree. All the back judge has to do is look up and see if the clock is running or not. Our bordering states us them and they survive. It's better for the players (QBs) on the field if play clocks are visible. Isn't it supposed to be about them? Bordering states use them or they are required? I didn't know any state required them or that they were official on the HS level anywhere. I've been around plenty of screwed up clock operators. I'm not even talking about away games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindoc Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 That all members of active coaching staffs be banned from commenting on message boards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plantmanky Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Bordering states use them or they are required? I didn't know any state required them or that they were official on the HS level anywhere. I've been around plenty of screwed up clock operators. I'm not even talking about away games. True that. Sometimes its hard enough to get someone to turn on the lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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