Kobe vs. Jordan

[Voice of Reason]

Without thinking about it too much, I would say Kobe is a better shooter than MJ and MJ is a better finisher at the rim than Kobe. I do not like Kobe at all but I think he may be the greatest outside shooting threat ever in the NBA.

[PurplePride92]

"Lamar Odom is a better basketball player. Pau Gasol is a better basketball player. Andrew Bynum is a better basketball players. Contrast Derek Fisher today compared to his years in Utah. Obviously, he is better. Odom just scored 19 points, 19 rebounds against one of the two most athletic power forwards in the NBA. I am a little lost. Amazingly, MJ, who is one of the worst teammates in NBA history made people better? Meanwhile, players like Gasol who were lucky to reach the playoffs are perennial winners with Kobe, but Bryant is somehow holding them back. Interesting."

[Mack The Knife]

I don't even consider Kobe the greatest Laker ever. Definitely behind Magic and Kareem. I may even put Jerry West ahead of him. As for the poll question I will give the slightest of edges to Jordan.

[PurplePride92]

"Did Kobe make his teammates better in the Los Angeles Lakers vs. Phoenix Suns basketball game last night? 13 assists? Are you really going to continue to question this guy? Artest big numbers...Odom big numbers (as his opponents call him lucky)...Gasol with Wilt-like/Shaq-like numbers. It appears to me that these players are better. Perhaps, it is simply irony that these guys are playing at such a high level and their teammates happens to be Kobe Bryant. I am telling you guys, if you really evaluate it...... Kobe Bryant is right there in every manner that Michael Jordan was. The difference is how Kobe is such a complete offensive player. The shooting is not even close. Jordan shot under 20% from 3 pt range in multiple seasons. Kobe is the most complete shooting guard ever. It is not challenging to see."

[PurplePride92]

That was the last of the quotes.....I had to post them. That was one of the better facebook debates I have been involved in without ever saying a word.:lol:

[NEXT]

MJ is better PERIOD.

 

There are a lot of players that did a lot of things better than Jordan, 0 are as great as him.

[PurplePride92]

Some links about his 81 point game. If I am not mistaken he had 2 dunks and 2 layups in this game for a total of 8 points at the rim. All of the rest were jumpers and free throws.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/recap/_/id/260122013/shotchart?gameId=260122013

 

http://www.lakersuniverse.com/kobe/game_81points.htm

 

http://www.lakersuniverse.com/kobe/game_81points.htm

 

 

[PurplePride92]

Bryant shares two NBA records and holds nine records:

 

* Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Donyell Marshall)

* Most three-point field goals made, one half: 8 (on March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards; shared with 5 other players)

* Youngest player to score 18,000 points: (28 years, 156 days)

* Youngest player to score 20,000 points: (29 years, 122 days)

 

* Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record

* Became one of only three players to reach the milestone under the age of 30. The other two are Chamberlain (29 years, 134 days) and Michael Jordan (29 years, 326 days).

 

* Youngest player to score 23,000 points: (30 years, 171 days)

 

* Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record

 

* Youngest player to score 24,000 points: (31 years, 76 days)

 

* Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record

 

* Youngest player to score 25,000 points: (31 years, 151 days)

* Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record

 

* Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Rookie Team: (1996–97)

* Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Defensive Team: (1999–00)

* Youngest player to start a game: (18 years, 158 days)

* Youngest player to start an All-Star game

Edited June 13, 2010 by PurplePride92

[PurplePride92]

NBA awards and accomplishments-Michael Jordan

 

* Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2009

* 6-time NBA champion: 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998 (all with Chicago Bulls)

 

* 6 NBA Finals appearances: 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998

 

* 5-time NBA Most Valuable Player: 1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998

* 10-time scoring champion: 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998

* 3-time steals leader: 1988, 1990, 1993

* 14-time NBA All-Star: 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2002, 2003

* 3-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 1988, 1996, 1998

* 6-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player: 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998

* 1-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 1987-88

* 11-time All-NBA selection:

 

* First team: 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998

* Second team: 1985

 

* 9-time All-Defensive selection:

 

* First team: 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998

 

* NBA All-Rookie selection:

 

* First team: 1985

 

* NBA Rookie of the Year: 1985

* 2-time NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1987, 1988

 

* Runner-up in 1985

 

* Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"

* Selected in 1996 as member of two of the "Top 10 Teams in NBA History"

 

* 1991-92 Chicago Bulls (67–15; .817)

* 1995-96 Chicago Bulls (72–10; .878)

Edited June 13, 2010 by PurplePride92

[PurplePride92]

I don't even consider Kobe the greatest Laker ever. Definitely behind Magic and Kareem. I may even put Jerry West ahead of him. As for the poll question I will give the slightest of edges to Jordan.

 

Really?

 

Bryant holds or shares numerous Lakers franchise records:

 

* Points

 

* Career: 25,331 (as of March 1, 2010)

o Surpassed Jerry West, the previous holder of the record, on February 1, 2010

* Season: 2,832 (2005–06)

* Game: 81 (on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)

* Half: 55 (2nd half, on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[5]

* Quarter: 30 (twice, most recently on November 30, 2006 in 3rd quarter vs. Utah Jazz)

* Games scoring 60 points or more, career: 5 (as of March 1, 2010)

* Games scoring 50 points or more, career: 24 (as of March 1, 2010)

* Games scoring 50 points or more, season: 10 (2006–07)

* Games scoring 40 points or more, career: 104 (as of March 1, 2010)

* Games scoring 40 points or more, season: 27 (2005–06)

* Consecutive games of 50 points or more: 4 (March 16–23, 2007)

o Behind Wilt Chamberlain (7 consecutive games five times in 1961–62)

* Consecutive games of 40 points or more: 9 (February 6–23, 2003)

o Tied with Michael Jordan (1986–87) and behind Wilt Chamberlain (14 consecutive games twice in 1961–62 and 10 consecutive games in 1962–63)

 

* Field goals made and attempted

 

* Half: 18 (2nd half, on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)

* Half attempts: 28 (tied with Elgin Baylor; on November 17, 2002 at Boston Celtics)

* Half, playoffs: 12 (tied with Elgin Baylor; on April 20, 2003 at Minnesota Timberwolves)

* Quarter: 11 (twice, most recently on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)

* Quarter attempts, playoffs: 13 (tied with 3 players; on May 13, 2003 at San Antonio Spurs)

 

* Free throws made

 

* Game: 23 (twice, most recently on January 31, 2006 vs. New York Knicks)

* Game, playoffs: 21 (on May 4, 2008 vs. Utah Jazz)

* Half: 17 (on January 30, 2001 vs. Cleveland Cavaliers)

* Quarter: 14 (on February 27, 2007 vs. Utah Jazz)

* Quarter, playoffs: 11 (tied with 3 players; on May 8, 1997 vs. Utah Jazz)

* Consecutive: 62 (January 11–22, 2006)

 

* Three-point field goals made and attempted

 

* Career: 1,277 (1996–present)

* Career, playoffs: 214 (1996–present)

* Game: 12 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics)

* Half: 8 (1st half, on March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards)

* Consecutive: 9 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics)

* Career attempts: 3,752 (1996–present)

* Career attempts, playoffs: 650 (1996–present)

* Season attempts: 518 (2005–06)

* Game attempts: 18 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics)

 

* Steals

 

* Half: 6 (tied with 3 players; on February 13, 2006 vs. Utah Jazz)

* Quarter, playoffs: 3 (five times, tied with 9 players; most recently on June 15, 2008 vs. Boston Celtics)

[PurplePride92]

NBA awards and accomplishments-Kobe Bryant

 

 

* 4-time NBA champion: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009

 

* 7 NBA Finals appearances: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010

 

* NBA Finals MVP: 2009

* NBA Most Valuable Player: 2008

* 2-time scoring champion: 2006, 2007

* 12-time NBA All-Star: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010

 

* 11 consecutive appearances (No All-Star game in 1999 due to a league-wide lockout)

* Missed the 2010 game due to injury

 

* 3-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2002, 2007, 2009 (shared the last with Shaquille O'Neal)

* 12-time All-NBA selection:

 

* First team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010

* Second team: 2000, 2001

* Third team: 1999, 2005

 

* 10-time All-Defensive selection:

 

* First team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010

* Second team: 2001, 2002

 

* NBA All-Rookie selection:

 

* Second team: 1997

 

* NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1997

* NBA regular season leader:

 

* points: 2003 (2,461), 2006 (2,832, 7th in NBA history), 2007 (2,430), 2008 (2,323)

* points per game: 2006 (35.4, 8th in NBA history),2007 (31.6)

* field goals attempted: 2006 (2,173), 2007 (1,757), 2008 (1,690)

* field goals made: 2003 (868), 2006 (978), 2007 (813)

* free throws attempted: 2007 (768)

* free throws made: 2006 (696), 2007 (667)

 

* 2nd most points in a game: 81 (on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors)

[MJAlltheWay24]

I do not like Kobe at all but I think he may be the greatest outside shooting threat ever in the NBA.

 

Really? I will say that he is the best outside thread who can also get his shot whenever he wants but best outside shooting threat? There are so many players who shoot better from outside than Kobe, including someone he's playing against in these Finals.

[MJAlltheWay24]

I'm not going to lie PP92, I don't care enough to look up stats and numbers to post on here. Seems like you are doing a pretty good job showing both sides lol.

[HammerTime]

It's Jordan but Kobe can catch him if he gets 6 or 7 IMO.

[MJAlltheWay24]

It's Jordan but Kobe can catch him if he gets 6 or 7 IMO.

 

I still disagree with that. Kobe could have six titles, but Jordan still consistently put up better numbers. And quite frankly, Jordan was simply more fun to watch. That doesn't make him better, but he was.

 

At the end of the day it is an arguement that will never be decided, just like every other time you aregue players who played in different eras.