Is it time for Calipari to go?

[WCardinal]

On 12/26/2020 at 3:50 PM, theguru said:

Can anyone post Coach Cal's record at KY by year?

And in the one and done culture bad teams are the nature of the beast. 

Kentucky Wildcats (Southeastern Conference) (2009–present)
2009–10	35–3	14–2	1st (East)	Elite Eight
2010–11	29–9	10–6	2nd (East)	Final Four
2011–12	38–2	16–0	1st	Division I Champion
2012–13	21–12	12–6	T–2nd	NIT First Round
2013–14	29–11	12–6	T–2nd	Runner-up
2014–15	38–1	18–0	1st	Final Four
2015–16	27–9	13–5	T–1st	Round of 32
2016–17	32–6	16–2	1st	Elite Eight
2017–18	26–11	10–8	T–4th	Sweet 16
2018–19	30–7	15–3	T–2nd	Elite Eight
2019–20	25–6	15–3	1st	Canceled
2020-21	1–6	0-0
Kentucky:	331–82 (.801)	151–41 (.786)

[theguru]

Just now, WCardinal said:

Kentucky Wildcats (Southeastern Conference) (2009–present)
2009–10	35–3	14–2	1st (East)	Elite Eight
2010–11	29–9	10–6	2nd (East)	Final Four
2011–12	38–2	16–0	1st	Division I Champion
2012–13	21–12	12–6	T–2nd	NIT First Round
2013–14	29–11	12–6	T–2nd	Runner-up
2014–15	38–1	18–0	1st	Final Four
2015–16	27–9	13–5	T–1st	Round of 32
2016–17	32–6	16–2	1st	Elite Eight
2017–18	26–11	10–8	T–4th	Sweet 16
2018–19	30–7	15–3	T–2nd	Elite Eight
2019–20	25–6	15–3	1st	Canceled
2020-21	1–6	0-0
Kentucky:	331–82 (.801)	151–41 (.786)

Thank you @WCardinal, this is exactly how my brain likes to process things. 

[WCardinal]

I guess just try to look on the bright side... they lost 11 games in 13-14 and were runner-up... 🤣

[Randy Parker]

13 hours ago, TheDeuce said:

Mack had been recruiting DJ hard even at Xavier, I’m not sure it would have mattered. 

I don't doubt that.  I was just wondering if Cal pursued him.

[John Anthony]

10 hours ago, futurecoach said:

Can you explain the 2014 team then? It didn’t really have any of the things you just listed. Yet he was able to beat four teams that were suppose to be better than them, to get to the finals that year. Shoot the 2014 team went further than the 2010 and 2015 team loaded with superstars. The 2017 and 2019 teams did just as good as the 2010 team loaded with superstars, and literally one shot short of the 2015 loaded team. 
 

At the end of the day it seems most UK fans only care what happens in the tournament. Well he has had his teams that weren’t loaded with superstars, that did even better or just as good as the teams that were loaded with superstars and better than the Murray and SGA teams. 
 

So your narrative there doesn’t seem to fit. The only thing that should get from this, is how hard it is to win 6 straight games in the tournament. Cal has had teams make runs by beating better teams like in 2011, and 2014. Then he had teams that lost that shouldn’t. It literally is hard to win it all. 
 

If it was easy, then Rupp wouldn’t be the only coach in UK history who has multiple titles. 
 

To answer the question it is not time for him to go. However, for most of his career he was considered to be the coach who was always ahead of the curve in regards to other coaches. He is going to have to adjust some things and soon. Or else it will be close to time to move on. 

Was that the Randle team?  He was a star player.  We don’t get those players anymore.  Zero chance, there’s a negative chance, this team is 1-6 with a player like that.

You continue to think he’s a great X/O coach and he’s not.  He’s like the rich kid who shows up with a turbo car and finishes 4/5th.  We don’t have turbo players anymore, that’s why it’s been since 2015 our last final 4.

[John Anthony]

For the record I signed up for the one and done and never complained.  I wanted the #1 overall picks who gave us the most exciting times from November to March, then they move on and we start over.  

[theguru]

Hopefully UK rebounds and gets in this year. 

[futurecoach]

1 hour ago, John Anthony said:

Was that the Randle team?  He was a star player.  We don’t get those players anymore.  Zero chance, there’s a negative chance, this team is 1-6 with a player like that.

You continue to think he’s a great X/O coach and he’s not.  He’s like the rich kid who shows up with a turbo car and finishes 4/5th.  We don’t have turbo players anymore, that’s why it’s been since 2015 our last final 4.

Did I ever once say he was a great X and O coach? Nope. Is he better than what you give credit for, he’s.
 

What I have continued to do, is prove your narrative as being wrong. Considering he has had teams do just as good, and even better than his superstar teams. He has had teams in the tournament go on runs, beating teams better than the team he has. Which if he was as bad of a coach as you make it sound like. Then he wouldn’t have had his teams go on runs like they did in 2011 and 2014. He wouldn’t have had his 2017 team be a last second shot away from beating the eventual National Champs in UNC in the elite 8, and then another team in 2019 that you put down most of the season. Yet an overtime away from the final four. Which by the things you like to say, the 2017 and 2019 teams shouldn’t have been close. The 2014 team based off things you have said, would have had no business beating teams better than them for four straight games to get to the finals if he was as bad of a coach and can only win with a team loaded with superstars as you said. 
 

You using the no final fours since 2015 as your proof is just silly. Considering the best coach of all time, who has had those turbo players as you say in coach K. Also hasn’t been to the final four since 2015. Shoot Cal has had just as good or better results than he has, with less talent since 2015 in the tournament. Which gets back to the tournament is just that dang hard to win, and droughts like this happen when to the best coach of all time. 

Is he the best X and O coach in the country, nope. Is he much better than some give him credit for, yes. Which is the biggest reason I reply each time you try to say that narrative. 

[MJAlltheWay24]

22 hours ago, 9068 said:

Why not recruit a couple of megastars, and a few players to develop? 

He's recruited those few players to develop.  They get ticked when they aren't seeing enough playing time in their first season and tend to not stick around to get the development and become solid pieces in their junior and senior seasons (e.g. Baker, Juzang, Matthews, and etc.).

[MJAlltheWay24]

40 minutes ago, futurecoach said:

Did I ever once say he was a great X and O coach? Nope. Is he better than what you give credit for, he’s.
 

What I have continued to do, is prove your narrative as being wrong. Considering he has had teams do just as good, and even better than his superstar teams. He has had teams in the tournament go on runs, beating teams better than the team he has. Which if he was as bad of a coach as you make it sound like. Then he wouldn’t have had his teams go on runs like they did in 2011 and 2014. He wouldn’t have had his 2017 team be a last second shot away from beating the eventual National Champs in UNC in the elite 8, and then another team in 2019 that you put down most of the season. Yet an overtime away from the final four. Which by the things you like to say, the 2017 and 2019 teams shouldn’t have been close. The 2014 team based off things you have said, would have had no business beating teams better than them for four straight games to get to the finals if he was as bad of a coach and can only win with a team loaded with superstars as you said. 
 

You using the no final fours since 2015 as your proof is just silly. Considering the best coach of all time, who has had those turbo players as you say in coach K. Also hasn’t been to the final four since 2015. Shoot Cal has had just as good or better results than he has, with less talent since 2015 in the tournament. Which gets back to the tournament is just that dang hard to win, and droughts like this happen when to the best coach of all time. 

Is he the best X and O coach in the country, nope. Is he much better than some give him credit for, yes. Which is the biggest reason I reply each time you try to say that narrative. 

You always nail it, at least in my eyes.

What you say doesn't mean you are fully satisfied but the picture you paint is always closer to reality than what others paint, at least in my eyes.

[Voice of Reason]

3 hours ago, John Anthony said:

Was that the Randle team?  He was a star player.  We don’t get those players anymore.  Zero chance, there’s a negative chance, this team is 1-6 with a player like that.

You continue to think he’s a great X/O coach and he’s not.  He’s like the rich kid who shows up with a turbo car and finishes 4/5th.  We don’t have turbo players anymore, that’s why it’s been since 2015 our last final 4.

Coming into the season, Boston was projected as a top 5 NBA pick. 

This class was ranked the #1 recruiting class.

[John Anthony]

2 hours ago, futurecoach said:

Did I ever once say he was a great X and O coach? Nope. Is he better than what you give credit for, he’s.
 

What I have continued to do, is prove your narrative as being wrong. Considering he has had teams do just as good, and even better than his superstar teams. He has had teams in the tournament go on runs, beating teams better than the team he has. Which if he was as bad of a coach as you make it sound like. Then he wouldn’t have had his teams go on runs like they did in 2011 and 2014. He wouldn’t have had his 2017 team be a last second shot away from beating the eventual National Champs in UNC in the elite 8, and then another team in 2019 that you put down most of the season. Yet an overtime away from the final four. Which by the things you like to say, the 2017 and 2019 teams shouldn’t have been close. The 2014 team based off things you have said, would have had no business beating teams better than them for four straight games to get to the finals if he was as bad of a coach and can only win with a team loaded with superstars as you said. 
 

You using the no final fours since 2015 as your proof is just silly. Considering the best coach of all time, who has had those turbo players as you say in coach K. Also hasn’t been to the final four since 2015. Shoot Cal has had just as good or better results than he has, with less talent since 2015 in the tournament. Which gets back to the tournament is just that dang hard to win, and droughts like this happen when to the best coach of all time. 

Is he the best X and O coach in the country, nope. Is he much better than some give him credit for, yes. Which is the biggest reason I reply each time you try to say that narrative. 

We’re 1-6 and haven’t been to the final 4 since 2015.  I’d argue my narrative is currently more accurate than yours.  Peak Cal is over, losing Kenny Payne further shows Cal’s deficiencies.

[The Professor]

A hypothetical question: How much difference would Cade Cunningham have made for this team? Cal recruited him pretty intensely but he decided on Oklahoma State. 
Is he the missing piece on this team to have made it click? 
In my opinion the primary problem with this team is a point guard that can create for others. Of course, shooting is an issue too, but lack of a quality point guard is chewing the Cats up this season. 

[MBWC41]

I asked this question weeks ago and I’ll ask it again today. Realistically, who do you hire ?

Could we get Coach K ( Who literally quit playing non conference because things weren’t going his way)for 10 million a year? Maybe we can get Tony Bennett for 5 million a year in addition to coach K as a defensive specialist. Hell, maybe Pop and Steve Kerr want to give up the NBA lifestyle for the simple life in Lexington. Let’s sign them too...

[futurecoach]

7 hours ago, MJAlltheWay24 said:

You always nail it, at least in my eyes.

What you say doesn't mean you are fully satisfied but the picture you paint is always closer to reality than what others paint, at least in my eyes.

Some of the stuff people say are just so way off in my opinion. Now this year definitely has sucked, no argument there. Which I do think Cal is going to have to start changing his approach some on how he does things, or else it could be time to eventually move on. However, people act like they have been horrible the last five years, and not in contention at all, which is not true at all. The tournament is just hard to win, which is why Duke also hasn’t been to the final four since 2015 either. Yet people aren’t trying to act like Coach K forgot how to coach. It is just silly some of the stuff people say. Me and JA have had the same argument for the last four years now. 
 

It really sucks that last years tournament didn’t get to be played. Cal actually had an experienced team that people say they wanted him to have. They had good guard play, drew fouls, and could make free throws. They were going to be a dangerous team last year. Yet people want to add last years team as a team that failed to make a final four, even though it never got played. It has basically only been four teams that have failed to make the final four, since 2015. Two of those four teams were literally a shot a way from being in it. Then last year they were set up to make a run again. 
 

Im really not sure what else fans would want in a coach. Or who they think we would get that would consistently do better. It’s fair to be upset about this season so far though, I won’t argue that. This type of season definitely can’t happen again.