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  1. Hands down the best I have ever seen in N. II give him the nod over Alexander because he almost never came off the field. His performance against trinity in the rec. bowl was classic. The touchdown on the final play of the half vs covcath was impossible to describe. Would love for someone to dig it up and post it on here.
  2. Voice...That is not how "odds" work. If it were so then CCH. would , by your logic have odds in their favor vs LaSalle. CCH may produce a running clock, but if so, it will be because they are the superior team.
  3. I especially agree with the op concerning getting the best players on the field in key situations. Beechwood had sufficient athletes to cover both the DL and OL. Not so in the defensive backfield. Certain db's were torched all year long. Why would it be different against a really good team like Mayfield? Beechwood could have gotten by with their 2 platoon set-up against the weaker teams in the region and set up a different defensive backfield in key situations and close games. There is no way that players like Stringer and others can be on the bench on obvious passing downs, against good teams. Some of Mayfield's completions were thrown very high and far too soft, yet the coverage was late. The Dixie and Mt Healthy and even the Bellevue games revealed this weakness. Allowing it to continue against Mayfield provided a loss. I thought Beechwood was the better team in all other areas except the kicking game....which is another story for another time.
  4. When I was a HS freshman Jim Briede (NewCath football and basketball star) and I hitchhiked to Lexington to see the East- West All-Star football game. The game featured Paul Hornung for the West and Gordon McGeehee for the East. There was a huge lineman for the West who dominated much of the game. His name was Vince Lococco. As a Holmes graduate, I am proud to say that McGeeHee scored the winning touchdown. He was drafted a few months later and did not get to play college football at UK, where he had committed. The current VL must be a grandson. I hope he is not a great grandson as I feel old enough already.
  5. Beechwood was once blessed with huge linemen who were tough and dedicated. Players like Holderman and Wolley don't come along in bunches the way they once did. Ask National Defense Player of the Year Dennis Johnson how it felt to have Holderman on top of him or the Yeast kid from Harrodsburg who went over to the Beechwood bench before the game and ran his mouth. He lasted all of one play before he got his bell rung and tool a seat. Beechwood has had several really excellent freshman teams and expectations were high. For some reason, the linemen who were as big as there opponents when they were freshmen, grew vey little after that. We all know the cliché about not being able to teach them to grow. The facts do not support an argument that CovCath easily handled even the best Yeagle coaches Beechwood teams. I know that because I was there for several of them. The Beechwood linemen are totally dedicated. They lift religiously and they hang together when not at school. My daughter and another parent have them at their home as a group on a regular basis. Her grocery bill can attest to this. My grandson's father was MVP in the East-West all-star game. He got the award for blocking Frank Jacobs and limiting his effectiveness. He is 6'2" and 275. His son (my grandson) is 5'8 and 190 and plays the line. I am short so you can guess who gets the blame. He is also a straight A student, but I am told I get no credit for that.
  6. After seeing Schoer run through Highlands last year I thought he would be highly recruited, perhaps as a fullback-blocking back at the D-1 level. In the alternative, he would be a very strong runner on a lower level D-1 or D-2 team. Anyone know why this kid has not heavily recruited.
  7. I don't remember a single charge being called in the entire game. On one play a Central player drove down the lane and suddenly jumped to his right and ended up on aHolmes player's chest. If that wasn't a charge to start the ot there will never be one. Overall, I gave the refs a "B" and I am sure Central fans can point to several calls they did not like. Correct call or not, I don't recall a single charging call. Hawkins is a fine HS player, but those drives to the basket would get swatted in the SEC.
  8. Guru and I lived around the corner from "the oldest Nussbaum. He starred on Holmes undefeated team of 1943. You made an incorrect assumption that Gary was the oldest Nussbaum.
  9. Grey haired ref missed 2 different blocks in the back by Conner players which occured right in front of him. When Beechwood knocked a Conner runner out of bounds, he ran up to where the ball went out rather than watching the play to conclusion. If roughing had occured, he would have had his back to it. He truly needs a lot of work. The last drive by Conner involved some fine passing and excellent pass blocking.
  10. Lawnboy...the job requirements for coaching and supervising in industry are not dissimilar. If I had a dime for every supervisor I had to participate in the dismissal of, I could buy a funnel cake at Beechwood's opener. I have no knowledge of the depth of Coach M's shortcomings or if there were any. However, if you are hugely unpopular with those you supervise, they will find a way of deep sixing you. Fifty years ago the railroaders told me that the trains don't run on time for a martinet supervisor. When I progressed in Industry I saw technically competant people with good early track records get full of themselves and lose perspective of what got them there. I worked up a lot of severance packages in appreciation of past accomplishments when their boss thought the supervisor's inter-personal relations skills had become difficult for his underlings to tolerate. I just wonder whether Coach M. was talked to about this and failed to see a problem or whether he was "surprised". I stood in front of the door for a lot of employees whose superviors or managers had not worked with the employee to correct a problem.
  11. Conner will beat Holy Cross by a ton.
  12. When I was a freshman at mighty John G. Carlisle we were not credited with a foul shot. The guy next to me told the coach who basically told him to shut up. You guessed it. We were tied at the end of regulation and lost in OT. It was the season final in the freshman tournament. They gave us the "Sportsmanship Award" as a consolation. We did not dare tell the Coach..."I tried to tell you."
  13. Highlands stopped Jude, but struggled to get Wickware on the ground despite getting to him. I saw no comparison between these 2 players. Talkers was honorable mention amd a 5' 7" soph was one of the kickers chosen. Must have put every kick in the end zone, because Talkers surley put nearly every one there and most were 8 yards deep.
  14. Some JC fans were standing toe to toe with some Highlands fans. Police played it very cool and their presence cooled things down. The JC fan behind us was not satisfied with all of the holding calls on the field. He complained about something on every play. He was so preposterous it was actually entertaining. BTW, the late hit call when the JC player recovered a fumble, was also bogus. The Highlands player saw the ball on the ground and dove for it. The JC player saw the ball first and secured it while the Highlands player was in the air. I suppose that in Lexington they equip their players with air brakes. I have never before seen a team overcome major penalties with such ease. It went from first or second and long to first down in a couple of throws to open receivers. Had to be frustrating to JC players. I have never seen Towles play better. Jude is a nice player, but sure is no Vocke.
  15. The KHSAA was concerned enough about last week's results to send out a form to coaches inviting comments. That is the good news. The bad news is that the newspaper account stated words to the effect that it would be quite a while before there was a decision acting on the results. One of the things cited was the cost factor. Putting on games results in expenditures which are apparently not being absorbed by fannies in the seat in every instance. If you were a fan of Paris HS, would you have traveled to Beechwood on Friday? Also, not every home team favorite enjoys the fan support of a CCH, yet the CCH crowd was rather poor and the Rowan crowd was a no show. My guess is that many who support the current format do so, but do not go to a game on Friday night. I have been a Beechwood fan since longer than I care to admit, but I did not go Friday night and the three friends I attend a game with each week did not attend a game that night either. We were, however, at the CCH game on Friday supporting Northern Kentucky football. I bring up the money issue because no one else commented on it. We will be at the JC-Highlands game on Friday.
  16. I would love to see a match up between Highlands frosh and Beechwoods frosh. Are there any rules preventing something like this.
  17. The Beechwood-Holmes game was similar, but Beechwood earned half the blame. Coach Liggins of Holmes called his team together at that game and it was apparent he was reading them the riot act. I am not sure if Holmes coaching staff is part of the problem or not, but I have to credit Liggins for what I saw on that particular night. Liggins attended one of our Holmes luncheons and heis a very positive guy. I hope he does not become frustrated and leave.
  18. N.K.U. does not enjoy a cadre of well healed Alumni willing to contribute the big bucks necessary to start a program. I would like to see an "Enabling Committee" with Lucas as Chairman , appointed to study the question. Maybe selling naming rights to the staduims (How does Bill Gates Stadium sound) combined with some big donors (I have been wrong before) would be enough to get it started. The post about 20K per year ,per player, in lost revenue does more to prove the poster missed a class when they discussed marginal cost than to shed light. Perhaps they could start with 30 scholarships and the revenue added by walk-ons who want to continue their playing days would help. I just hate to see the idea dismissed without some testing of the negative assumptions.
  19. It appears that the starting time has been changed to 8:00 due to the weather. Quote I read was from Beechwood athletic director.
  20. It was as leatherneck said....a 7 on 7 scrimmage. Everyone got to play and it was no indication of relative strengths. I like Beechwood's freshamna passing attack better than the varsity. That is not a big boast as the Beechwood varsity pass play calling looks like Ron Jowarski (aka the mad bomber) is calling the plays.
  21. History.... Regarding the final play of the Beechwood-Murray game... Players are taught that the play is over when the referee blows the whistle. The referee admitted that he blew the whistle prematurely. This caused Hergott to toss the ball in the air believing the game was over. Had the referee not blown the whistle, Hergott would have run out of the back of the end zone for a safety and a win. The referee did not wish to punish Hergott or Beechwood for his mistake. That is called integrity. What part of this is so hard for you to understand? Murray did not have the lead or the ball when the game ended. If the tables were turned, I would not want to take the game away from the team with the lead and the ball over a referee's error. Trophies are nice, but getting it right is even nicer and the referee got it right when it would have been easier to signal a touchdown and run off the field and later deny that you had blown the whistle or the call. Rommel once said that he had too many enemies and one too many allies. Beechwood may have one too many fans.
  22. If this is an up year, I hope we never have a down year. It looks like a pair of easy wins for Indiana again this year.
  23. Apparently,if you are a good family man and a good parent, you get to keep your job without concern for the performance of the team....at least according to some posters. I know nothing of the internal developments or problems at CovCath. I do know 2 long time avid supporters, both in terms of financial support and game attendace at all CovCath sporting events ,who think Listerman is a terrible coach. They also like him personally. As for myself, I believe his teams underachieve. When the game is on the line he screams and yells rather thyan remaining calm and bringing order. If you can't see that much, you need to find another sport...like bowling. I realize that is only a part of the total package a coach brings to the table, but his late game antics, including some untimely technicals give cause to question those who throw the label "great coach" around as though the words have no meaning. Of course, I am one of those old people who have only been watching HS basketball for 60 years. As to the alleged shouting match between players and coach, it strikes me as odd that so many know so much about how a kid should behave without knowing what was said and by whom. A player has to accept criticism and realize that some of it may be unjust, but always offered for his own benefit. On the other hand, if it goes over the top, it would not expect a young man to take everything thrown at him. Maintaining self respect is important to young people too. By the way, the 2 gentlemen I referred to have a combined 105 years watching HS basketball from the first game until the finals of the State Tournamnet. In fairness, I do know that Caoch Shields of NKU supports Listerman and that speaks well as Ken knows basketball.
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