2 minutes ago, BirdDaddy said:

I remember when It was talked about on BGP about Billy Donovan was buying a Horse farm in Versailles. Right? How did that turn out?

One of the best threads in BGP history, hands down. 

Just now, TheDeuce said:

 I'm not sure I agree about parents/students having "the right" to know what a coach is doing. Does a coach have "the right" to know if the parents of his star QB are looking at jobs and moving away? 

 

I would say think on it some and I believe your analogy is apples and oranges.  

1 minute ago, theguru said:

I would say think on it some and I believe your analogy is apples and oranges.  

I hear where you are coming from, but I also believe coaches should be able to explore opportunities to better their situation without everyone where they currently work knowing about it. They deserve some privacy in that regard, IMO. 

1 minute ago, Bird Bath said:

I have heard it all from a thesis paper on how to fix the problems to an offer and first born.  Kids can’t enter a portal if wrong choice.  I too think player involvement is fine it is good for the students to at least understand the process.  Truth of the matter is other schools have caught up and you have to have Jimmy/Joes and the others buy in on  opportunities.  Dale had a way in making the 5th string water boy irreplaceable.  He liked to spray when talking and grown adults would be there to catch his spit.  I sincerely believe they have the players to compete.  

I agree Coach Mueller got the max out of everyone and that is an almost impossible act to replace. 

Just now, TheDeuce said:

I hear where you are coming from, but I also believe coaches should be able to explore opportunities to better their situation without everyone where they currently work knowing about it. They deserve some privacy in that regard, IMO. 

I am conflicted on it but coaches are paid professionals and considering players just can't "up and transfer" if there is a coaching change and schools are supposed to be about kids (are you listening JCPS) I think the higher good is served by the transparency. 

Just now, theguru said:

I am conflicted on it but coaches are paid professionals and considering players just can't "up and transfer" if there is a coaching change and schools are supposed to be about kids (are you listening JCPS) I think the higher good is served by the transparency. 

What is accomplished by a group of students/parents knowing their coach is looking at other jobs?

Just now, TheDeuce said:

What is accomplished by a group of students/parents knowing their coach is looking at other jobs?

Maybe the coach is the reason they chose or are planning to choose a school.  It boils down to school choice for me. 

1 minute ago, TheDeuce said:

What is accomplished by a group of students/parents knowing their coach is looking at other jobs?

I'm glad you two are discussing this, cause I think its a pretty interesting discussion that we could certainly take down extended paths in many directions.   It's the ultimate conflict because it's been a jolt of excitement when some names just get dropped in a pretty definitive manner, but there's also a twinge of "wait, was School X aware of this?"   

22 minutes ago, theguru said:

Maybe the coach is the reason they chose or are planning to choose a school.  It boils down to school choice for me. 

That's possible I suppose, but I thank that happening at the high school level is pretty rare in general. 

I always thought it was a foregone conclusion that Coach Lickert was building his resume to try and become the coach at Highlands one day. I don't feel like it was a secret that it was his goal. Ironically I've never actually spoken with him just always what I had heard. So as a fan of NCC it doesn't shock or surprise me that he applied. Additionally I don't think it affects his ability to coach the students if he doesn't get the job and returns to NCC's sidelines.

2 minutes ago, InsideSlant said:

I always thought it was a foregone conclusion that Coach Lickert was building his resume to try and become the coach at Highlands one day. I don't feel like it was a secret that it was his goal. Ironically I've never actually spoken with him just always what I had heard. So as a fan of NCC it doesn't shock or surprise me that he applied. Additionally I don't think it affects his ability to coach the students if he doesn't get the job and returns to NCC's sidelines.

I don’t think 16-17 year olds think the same as you. It only takes 1 player to start a resistance against your coach. Hope you’re right.

It certainly makes it easier on a coach when he is approached by an interested party, as opposed to making them apply. If the rumors are true, and it’s Wolfe’s job to lose, no application necessary, he can say “it’s my alma mater, they asked me for a meeting and I owe it to them to listen”. No harm done. If he passes on the job, so be it. He didn’t quit on his team. But when you put in that application, it’s a different story. 

Just now, BigErn said:

It certainly makes it easier on a coach when he is approached by an interested party, as opposed to making them apply. If the rumors are true, and it’s Wolfe’s job to lose, no application necessary, he can say “it’s my alma mater, they asked me for a meeting and I owe it to them to listen”. No harm done. If he passes on the job, so be it. He didn’t quit on his team. But when you put in that application, it’s a different story. 

Nobody should be above applying for a job. 

19 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

Nobody should be above applying for a job. 

@BigErn , correct me if I’m wrong here. IMO you made some very valid points. I don’t believe you were insinuating that anybody is above applying for the job, instead, when a school makes contact with you - scenarios are just a little bit, well, different.

1- If a school contacts you, that school is usually a little more accommodating in what they can do/offer.

2- You don’t have to deal with any potential backlash from your current employers if people are calling about you, instead of you firing away on applications (thus also your current employers being notified automatically bc of automated reference checks being sent as soon as you list them- and these are REQUIRED before able to submit these applications can be deemed officially sent)

3- You shouldn’t have to worry about any back lash. People in every profession are almost always looking to “better themselves”, especially in education.  If you’re Joe Math Teacher or Jane English Teacher and you look around for other teaching jobs and/or begin your climb into the admin ranks, or even if you’re in admin and apply elsewhere (even out of district) it’s ok. 
 

Be a head football coach and looking to make a move? Applying for jobs to see what other opportunities might be a step up? You better watch out (in some districts, some admin. Not all, but more than you’d think).   Stuff can come back to haunt you. 

It’s a double standard really, and an unfair one at that.  
 

Kind of like teachers (who don’t coach anything) or admin and they take a new job late in the spring/summer, or let’s say they decide to resign/retire completely late in the year? No big deal.   Let an admin leave for another job late in the year? No big deal it seems.   Let Jane English teacher leave current job A, for Job B in January...and then, Job C comes around in March that is even BETTER than Job B- before ever teaching a class there? Ehh. Nobody really cares.

....now, let a Head Football Coach (you know- the job that’s ‘not as important’ as the others above) do any of that? And a firestorm, crap show erupts. 

Correct, I wasn’t implying that they should be above applying. But I understand it, if that’s their guy. As is the case with any employer who is targeting someone in particular. Maybe the process is different in academia, I do not know. I was actually surprised to hear that there were applicants at all. I suppose it makes sense, but I assumed Highlands would be proactive with this and seek out candidates, as opposed to letting the coaches come to them. Again, this is not my area of expertise. I just found the dynamic interesting when someone brought up the position it puts applying coaches in.