It may have been mentioned here before I can't remember. I was talking to an SRO after the Marshall County shooting and he said that they were told at SRO training that no one had been killed in a school shooting that was behind a locked door.

 

If you think about it that would be a huge step, it wouldn't stop shootings like Marshall County, but if every classroom door remained locked during class it would severley limit access to students. It wouldn't be a 100% fix but if schools aren't locking their classroom doors during class they are being wreckless with their student's lives.

 

Just last Sunday my niece and I were talking, possibly about Marshall County. She told me she always locks her door during class. I asked why, she said it was a security safety thing she just does. The school doesn't require it, but from your comment, I'm glad she does.

It may have been mentioned here before I can't remember. I was talking to an SRO after the Marshall County shooting and he said that they were told at SRO training that no one had been killed in a school shooting that was behind a locked door.

 

If you think about it that would be a huge step, it wouldn't stop shootings like Marshall County, but if every classroom door remained locked during class it would severley limit access to students. It wouldn't be a 100% fix but if schools aren't locking their classroom doors during class they are being wreckless with their student's lives.

 

 

That is correct JD. When the State Police conducted active shooter training in our schools and with me they told us this. I posted about this in another thread a while back. There are things schools can do to combat this and locking and barricading classroom doors is the first thing if you are in lockdown. Early reports are he pulled the fire alarm and students started evacuating and then he started shooting. Could be rumors, though. So understand that.

 

The best preventative, and not fool proof, is the detectors. We are heading that direction. Sad it will get there, but it will.

 

I am convinced this is the best solution to save lives that we know now. Then lockdown the total school at all times.

What feed did you see that on? If I were the daughter I would be looking into finding a new mother.

 

I think it was on CNN, a local reporter who was at the school scene. The reporter seemed as stunned as myself at the Mother's demeanor. Maybe she was in some state of shock? I don't know but it was very aloof.

While I agree that it may help, what exactly keeps someone from breaking the glass and opening the door from the inside? I suppose that if every door had a small glass double pane window with wire between the panes that it could help a lot. But most schools don't have doors like that.

 

Nothing, just as nothing keeps someone from blasting their way past metal detecors or walking up and just shooting through windows from the outside. It's just another piece of the security plan. There are ways to secure the doors that are almost 100% in keeping someone out of the room. Several products on the market, that are quick to deploy and realatively inexpensive.

That is correct JD. When the State Police conducted active shooter training in our schools and with me they told us this. I posted about this in another thread a while back. There are things schools can do to combat this and locking and barricading classroom doors is the first thing if you are in lockdown. Early reports are he pulled the fire alarm and students started evacuating and then he started shooting. Could be rumors, though. So understand that.

 

The best preventative, and not fool proof, is the detectors. We are heading that direction. Sad it will get there, but it will.

 

I am convinced this is the best solution to save lives that we know now. Then lockdown the total school at all times.

 

I think all detectors do is pull your resources (officers/guards) to one known location each morning and moves the shooting location from class rooms to the school entrance, as we saw in Marshall County.

Just last Sunday my niece and I were talking, possibly about Marshall County. She told me she always locks her door during class. I asked why, she said it was a security safety thing she just does. The school doesn't require it, but from your comment, I'm glad she does.

 

It is highly, highly recommended that teachers do at all times.

Reporting 16 dead.

Annnd here goes CNN blaming the gun. The AR-15 caused this tragedy. :puke:

Annnd here goes CNN blaming the gun. The AR-15 caused this tragedy. :puke:

 

Are we watching a different CNN? I hear them discussing the weapon, but I haven’t heard them blame the tragedy on it...

Children with no regard for life is the biggest issue...this kid was also researching how to build bombs. I don't know what has caused all of the anger in children over the last 20 years but there is a disconnect with reality and these killers.

Two Shooters in a row arrested instead of taking their own life...that is very shocking also. Are these idiots looking for some sort of notoriety from these events?

Two Shooters in a row arrested instead of taking their own life...that is very shocking also. Are these idiots looking for some sort of notoriety from these events?

 

If this is in fact a former student, I’ll assume he’s 18. He deserves the death penalty. An expedited one.

Are we watching a different CNN? I hear them discussing the weapon, but I haven’t heard them blame the tragedy on it...

 

It's coming, trust me. They have already talked about how quick it can fire and how many rounds it's "can" hold, also related it to an M-16. It's certainly not an M-16. Wolf Blitzer has likely never had one in his hands but can tell you all about how violent that particular gun is. Nevermind the violent person that has to pull the trigger numerous times to cause such a tragedy.

I think all detectors do is pull your resources (officers/guards) to one known location each morning and moves the shooting location from class rooms to the school entrance, as we saw in Marshall County.

 

 

That's not all detectors do. They do screen fairly thoroughly. I have been through them and observed students being screened. You can train non security to do this. Not every school has SRO's, many elementaries don't and you would be surprised how many high and middle schools don't.

 

Getting into a school in Philadelphia is as thorough as an airport. You are escorted to the main office from the screening by someone. it is interesting that the vast majority of these shootings are in rural or suburban areas.

 

 

What they do in Philadelphia and Cleveland is a strong deterrent. Not saying it could never happen there, I would never say never on these things. However, if it does, I would bet the shooter would be outside not in.

If this is in fact a former student, I’ll assume he’s 18. He deserves the death penalty. An expedited one.

 

Agree 100%...needs the Timothy McVay express route!