The Problem With Tea Partiers

[Jim Schue]

That's crap. African Americans voted for Obama at an alarmingly high rate because he was black-period. Obama went to Rev. Wright's church for years and never once spoke out against him or his speeches until he was politically forced to.

 

I didn't vote for Obama and I'm not sure if I could care less about Rev. Wright and that whole fiasco.

 

However, with regards to blacks voting for Obama, that seems perfectly natural and more about supporting those who are like you than voting against someone unlike you. Two different things. I equate that more along the lines of, say, folks in Pulaski County overwhelmingly supporting a gubernatorial candidate from Somerset than being against an opponent from northern or western Kentucky.

 

The tea party doesn't have anything to do with race. If male whites vote for a candidate because they are white that is as wrong as all the blacks voting for Obama. Just shows complete ignorance. The tea party is scaring the daylights out of the Democrats. The Republicans are trying to bring them into the elephant tent, and I hope the Tea Partiers resist that, as it defeats the purpose.

 

I didn't say the Tea Party itself has anything to do with race. Just that there seem to be a lot of vocal racists under the Tea Party's wide-ranging umbrella.

[FarBeyondDriven]

African Americans have voted 90% for Dems for the last 50 years, maybe longer. I don't know what Obama's percent was. I imagine it was higher than 90% but it was as much about him being a Dem as it was about being African American.

If life for black folk in this country is as bad as some race peddlers claim, then maybe they should rethink their voting habits/history.

[Voice of Reason]

I thought the appeal of the Tea Party was that it's not a centrally-organized operation; instead functioning as a loose collective (not unlike the Southern Baptists)? In other words, is the leader of the North Iowa group answerable to the national group? Or has the Tea Party evolved (devolved?) in recent months under a common mission statement, with a centralized organizational philosophy?

 

This is the catch 22 for the Tea Party going forward. The attraction for many to the Tea Party is the movement being local and not a national centralized movement, but when you leave it all up to local control you are going to run into incidents like this one where local people let passion rule over intellect. Then that hurts the whole movement. IMO ... for the tea Party movement to sustain itself, they will need to become more centralized in decision making and have professional guidance in their "marketing".

[FarBeyondDriven]

As are the people who want to link voters who voted for Obama to socialism, communism, Marxism, etc, etc, etc.

I do not link Obama voters/supporters to Marxism, socialism, and the other isms. Those voters are just wrong and misinformed.

[Jim Schue]

Your logic would suggest that all Dems/Libs/Obama supporters agree with the "New Black Panther" party and the rhetoric of King Skyhook Samir Shabazz. That would speak volumes.

 

To be honest with you, I've read nothing about this "New Black Panther" movement (by choice). Let me ask you this: Whatever controversial things are being said by "New Black Panther" types, are they being said by people representing themselves as a voice for the Democratic Party? Or is it as a voice for the "New Black Panthers?" Important distinction there. As far as I know, the "New Black Panthers" aren't a wing of the Democratic Party, whereas the North Iowa Tea Party sure represents itself as part of the larger Tea Party.

[Voice of Reason]

As are the people who want to link voters who voted for Obama to socialism, communism, Marxism, etc, etc, etc.

 

Which shows how far off target this guy in Iowa was. After all, everyone knows Hitler's politics were right wing conservative not liberal.

 

JUST A JOKE!!!!!!! DON"T GET YOUR SHORTS IN A BUNCH! ENJOY THE LAUGH!

[Jim Schue]

If life for black folk in this country is as bad as some race peddlers claim, then maybe they should rethink their voting habits/history.

 

While the Democratic Party may pay lip service to African-American issues and concerns in this country, it's better than the alternative, which has shown itself to be downright hostile toward African-American issues and concerns. But not by much. At least, in that light, it's somewhat understandable.

[FarBeyondDriven]

To be honest with you, I've read nothing about this "New Black Panther" movement (by choice). Let me ask you this: Whatever controversial things are being said by "New Black Panther" types, are they being said by people representing themselves as a voice for the Democratic Party? Or is it as a voice for the "New Black Panthers?" Important distinction there. As far as I know, the "New Black Panthers" aren't a wing of the Democratic Party, whereas the North Iowa Tea Party sure represents itself as part of the larger Tea Party.

Considering King Skyhook Shamir Shabazz was hanging out at a certian election site in Philadelphia in November 2008 while "encouraging" folks to vote while brandishing a peace "pipe", you could argue that they are a Dem mouthpiece. I don't actually seek this stuff out myself, but I have come across some interesting videos of Shabazz and his cronies. Pretty interesting stuff. That being said, in no way shape or form do I think that these tools represent the Democrat Party or vice versa. As far as I am concerned, the " Old and New Black Panthers" are equal with the Klan in my eyes.

[FarBeyondDriven]

While the Democratic Party may pay lip service to African-American issues and concerns in this country, it's better than the alternative, which has shown itself to be downright hostile toward African-American issues and concerns. But not by much. At least, in that light, it's somewhat understandable.

Hostile toward black issues? You must be referring to the party that tried to block civil rights legislation. I believe it was Robert "Sheets" Byrd and his party.

[Jim Schue]

Hostile toward black issues? You must be referring to the party that tried to block civil rights legislation. I believe it was Robert "Sheets" Byrd and his party.

 

While being part of the KKK is unconscionable in my mind, in that era in many states Klan membership was a necessity to do business. And Byrd did distance himself from the Klan fairly early on (1952).

 

And you know history better than that, anyway. Check out blue/red maps from pre-1964 and compare them to after 1964. Notice how the south completely switched from blue to red? The GOP and Dem Party pre-1964 in the south is nothing like the parties as we now know them. And that's because of racial issues, as voters opposed to Civil Rights flocked to the GOP after 1964.

[acemona]

Hostile toward black issues? You must be referring to the party that tried to block civil rights legislation. I believe it was Robert "Sheets" Byrd and his party.

 

Oh yeah, 1 man speaks for the whole party. I thought that was what you were trying to debunk in this thread

[Jim Schue]

Considering King Skyhook Shamir Shabazz was hanging out at a certian election site in Philadelphia in November 2008 while "encouraging" folks to vote while brandishing a peace "pipe", you could argue that they are a Dem mouthpiece. I don't actually seek this stuff out myself, but I have come across some interesting videos of Shabazz and his cronies. Pretty interesting stuff. That being said, in no way shape or form do I think that these tools represent the Democrat Party or vice versa. As far as I am concerned, the " Old and New Black Panthers" are equal with the Klan in my eyes.

 

I suppose you could argue it, but it would be a flimsy argument. Again, this group is called the "New Black Panther Party," right? Not the "New Black Panther Party Democrats."

[True blue (and gold)]

African Americans voted for Obama at an alarmingly high rate because he was black-period.

 

You know this how? What percentage of blacks traditionally vote for the democratic candidate for president?

[FarBeyondDriven]

I suppose you could argue it, but it would be a flimsy argument. Again, this group is called the "New Black Panther Party," right? Not the "New Black Panther Party Democrats."

I bet they are all registered Dems.:sssh: Just kidding.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Oh yeah, 1 man speaks for the whole party. I thought that was what you were trying to debunk in this thread

You just made my point. Thank you.