Obama, another pastor problem

[NEXT]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/29/at-obamas-church-chicago-minister-says-clinton-felt-white-entitlement/

 

 

When will the Obama followers wake up and realize Obama is a socialist that shares the views of not one pastor, but 2 pastors and countless others he is associated with...............

Edited May 30, 2008 by JD If U Please

[AcesFull]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/29/at-obamas-church-chicago-minister-says-clinton-felt-white-entitlement/

 

 

When will the Obama followers wake up and realize Obama is a socialist that shares the views of not one pastor, but 2 pastors and countless others he is associated with...............

The count is up to at least 3: Jeremiah Wright, Michael Pfleger, Otis Moss, and....who else will crawl out from the shadows of Obama's past?

 

This story should have some long legs. I want Senator Obama to explain why he earmarked taxpayer dollars to go to Pfleger's church if he does not share at least part of Pfleger's world view?

 

Pfleger is not a member of Obama’s church, but Trinity United confirmed he was a guest at the church Sunday.

 

Pfleger’s support of Obama is well known in Chicago; an Obama aide confirmed that Pfleger contributed to Obama’s state Senate campaign during his years in the Illinois legislature.

 

The aide told FOX News that when Obama was a state senator in 2000, he secured a $100,000 earmark for the ARK Community Center, a center attached to Pfleger’s St. Sabina church. The aide said the initiative was awarded to help keep at risk kids off the streets by giving them a place to play.

Does Obama have any friends and supporters who are not deserving of large earmarks? Will he explain that the earmark was a mistake, as he did in the case of the loot that he proposed for his wife's employer. In that case, he admitted that he should have asked fellow Illinois Senator Dick Durbin to put in an earmark for Michelle Obama's employer instead of doing it himself.

 

No wonder Obama landed on Judicial Watch's Top 10 list of crooked politicians. I wonder how much state funding Obama managed to divert to his south Chicago supporters before anybody was paying any attention to him?

 

Did anybody else noticed the warm reception that Pfleger's hate-filled sermon received from the parishioners of Obama's church? This was not Pfleger's first address to the congregation - he was brought back by popular demand.

[AcesFull]

Being the webmaster of Obama's campaign website must be a tough job. (S)he never knows when there will be another emergency deletion required. I wonder who answers that 3 AM phone call when a suddenly unacceptable endorsement needs to be purged? :lol:

 

[nWo]

I said it when the Jeremiah Wright controversy came up. I've seen a lot worst in some of the church's I have attended. This won't change my mind one bit. I still will be voting for him in November.

[Hatz]

Being the webmaster of Obama's campaign website must be a tough job. (S)he never knows when there will be another emergency deletion required. I wonder who answers that 3 AM phone call when a suddenly unacceptable endorsement needs to be purged? :lol:

 

 

Granted Aces I haven't had time to listen to the sermon but this blurb you posted doesn't bother me in the least. It's his opinion. What's wrong with that? He raises some social issues about education and child welfare that many do. He raises issues about the Iraq war as many do.

[AcesFull]

Granted Aces I haven't had time to listen to the sermon but this blurb you posted doesn't bother me in the least. It's his opinion. What's wrong with that? He raises some social issues about education and child welfare that many do. He raises issues about the Iraq war as many do.

I posted the Google-cached page to show that Pflegel is not somebody with whom the Obama campaign is unfamiliar. The Obama campaign wisely removed Pfleger's endorsement from his website when it became a potential embarrassment for him.

 

I have seen other clips of Pfleger, and the man is as much a nutcase as Jeremiah Wright. Yet, his words received the same warm reception as the words of Wright and his successor, Otis Moss have. Three pastors associated with Obama - essentially the same kind of tone and message.

 

Black Liberation Theology is an ugly belief system and anybody who still believes that Obama sat in the pews of Trinity United Methodist Church for 20 years without hearing the kind of hatred that Michael Pfleger and Jeremiah Wright spew on a regular basis simply is unwilling to face the truth.

 

Either Obama shares core beliefs with Wright, Moss, and Pfleger, or he has attended the church for 20 years to advance his career. Either way, it will not help Obama win votes among moderates and independents in November.

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In Obama's own words

This guy wants to be our President and control our government_. Pay close attention to the last

comment!! Below are a few lines from Obama's books --his words:

 

From Dreams of My Father//: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began

to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

 

From Dreams of My Father// : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity

against my mothers race.'

 

From Dreams of My Father//: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a littl e too sure of

himself, maybe. And white.'

 

From Dreams of My Father//: ; 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your

loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

 

From Dreams of My Father//: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela_.'

 

From Audacity of Hope/*/**: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'**

[5wide]

The Republicans couldn't have scripted this any better.

 

There were, IMO, two possible scenarios in which they could retain the White House. And they were John McCain winning the Republican nomination, while either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama wins the democratic nomination. Of the two scenarios, the most favorable for Republicans is a general election vs. Obama. I think Hillary would have likely beat McCain, but he'd have had a shot. I feel the exact opposite about Obama...it's not a certainty by any means, but I think he'll have a hard time beating McCain. This primary could not have worked out any better for Republicans.

 

If any republican other than McCain had won the nomination, it wouldn't have mattered who the democrats nominated, they would have won. However, with McCain, the Republicans made the correct choice (if keeping the White House was their priority)...the democrats, on the other hand, are not only going to nominate the person who is most likely to lose the general election, but they've beat each other up so much in the process, it's making things even more difficult. Maybe the democrats will surprise me, pull it together and do something smart for the first time in roughly 8 or 9 years...and the nation will surprise me and elect Obama over McCain in November...

 

...but, I doubt it.

[5wide]

Has the Catholic Church had any comment on this? Do they agree with what he's saying/doing? What do the Catholics on BGP think about this?

 

I'm just curious. Don't read any more into my questions than I intended. I'm not trying to imply anything, stir the pot, or offend anyone. It's not an attempt to attack or criticize Catholics. It's just a serious question.

 

Maybe my disclaimer wasn't necessary, but I didn't want to chance it. I want to know what Catholics on BGP think and how they feel about it...and I'd like to know if the church authorities have addressed this with any comments or anything else.

[shooter]

Cardinal Francis George of Chicago has criticized Rev. Pflegar.

 

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/30/chicago_cardinal_criticizes_re.html?hpid=topnews

[Run To State]

The Republicans couldn't have scripted this any better.

 

There were, IMO, two possible scenarios in which they could retain the White House. And they were John McCain winning the Republican nomination, while either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama wins the democratic nomination. Of the two scenarios, the most favorable for Republicans is a general election vs. Obama. I think Hillary would have likely beat McCain, but he'd have had a shot. I feel the exact opposite about Obama...it's not a certainty by any means, but I think he'll have a hard time beating McCain. This primary could not have worked out any better for Republicans.

 

If any republican other than McCain had won the nomination, it wouldn't have mattered who the democrats nominated, they would have won. However, with McCain, the Republicans made the correct choice (if keeping the White House was their priority)...the democrats, on the other hand, are not only going to nominate the person who is most likely to lose the general election, but they've beat each other up so much in the process, it's making things even more difficult. Maybe the democrats will surprise me, pull it together and do something smart for the first time in roughly 8 or 9 years...and the nation will surprise me and elect Obama over McCain in November...

 

...but, I doubt it.

Good Lord, I hope not!

[cch5432]

Has the Catholic Church had any comment on this? Do they agree with what he's saying/doing? What do the Catholics on BGP think about this?

 

I'm just curious. Don't read any more into my questions than I intended. I'm not trying to imply anything, stir the pot, or offend anyone. It's not an attempt to attack or criticize Catholics. It's just a serious question.

 

Maybe my disclaimer wasn't necessary, but I didn't want to chance it. I want to know what Catholics on BGP think and how they feel about it...and I'd like to know if the church authorities have addressed this with any comments or anything else.

I support the Catholic Church but not every action of every priest, and certainly not this man. But I find it difficult to criticize Priests (or anyone who devotes their entire life to God)

[madman]

Obama is a great speaker and can persuade those to follow. Unfortunately, those who decide to follow will be going down the wrong path. Clinton would be a much better choice for the Democrats.

[The Professor]

The Republicans couldn't have scripted this any better.

 

There were, IMO, two possible scenarios in which they could retain the White House. And they were John McCain winning the Republican nomination, while either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama wins the democratic nomination. Of the two scenarios, the most favorable for Republicans is a general election vs. Obama. I think Hillary would have likely beat McCain, but he'd have had a shot. I feel the exact opposite about Obama...it's not a certainty by any means, but I think he'll have a hard time beating McCain. This primary could not have worked out any better for Republicans.

 

If any republican other than McCain had won the nomination, it wouldn't have mattered who the democrats nominated, they would have won. However, with McCain, the Republicans made the correct choice (if keeping the White House was their priority)...the democrats, on the other hand, are not only going to nominate the person who is most likely to lose the general election, but they've beat each other up so much in the process, it's making things even more difficult. Maybe the democrats will surprise me, pull it together and do something smart for the first time in roughly 8 or 9 years...and the nation will surprise me and elect Obama over McCain in November...

 

...but, I doubt it.

You should be hired by CNN or FoxNews. Perfect analysis.:thumb:

[ladiesbballcoach]

Ironically, the rush to have early primaries have hurt the Democrats in two different ways.

 

1) they have hurt their standing in Michigan and Florida

2) and given Obama such a huge lead before all of these things came out that he could not be caught.

 

I would hazard a guess that you have a revote in some of those early races and you would see a big difference in some elections and Hillary would be the nominee and already have it sewed up.