What Baseball Stats are over-rated?

[All Play No Work]

A follow-up to the OPB vs batting average debate.....

 

 

What baseball stats are over-rated and which are truly meaningful? Any under-rated?

 

 

IMO fielding % can be over-rated. Won-loss record for pitcher's can be over-rated. Saves are over-rated.

[HammerTime]

Win-Loss for a pitcher is over rated.

[NEERFAN]

Avg.

[saint4]

Batting average is over rated because if you hit .300, you still only get a hit 3 out of every 10 times they get to bat.

[Habib]

Batting average is over rated because if you hit .300, you still only get a hit 3 out of every 10 times they get to bat.

 

:creepy: How does that make it overrated?

[STRIKE3]

Disagree on saves being overrated. Important aspect, of finishing a game and 6-8 blown saves, can oft be the difference in 1st-3rd.

 

I feel several are "overrated" and in no order....

 

K's - strikeouts, not an accurate measure of a pitchers effectiveness.

SB's - stolen bases, lost fundamental of the game

CG - complete games, a thing of the past in MLB

ERA's - can be misleading

WP's - wild pitches, serve little purpose

HBP's - give an indication, of on the plate/little fear

[h.s.sportsrbest]

My opinion on some under-rated stats in baseball:

 

* Runs Produced (Runs + Rbi - HR's)

* On-base Pct.

* Slugging Pct.

* Total Bases

* Outfield Assists

* WHIP

* Percentage of inherited runners scored

* Stolen base pct.

 

Over-Rated:

* Fielding Pct.

* Pitcher's win/loss

* Batting Average

* Strikeouts (both for pitchers and hitters)

* Gold Glove winners (rarely goes to best defenders)

[CJTank74]

Win-Loss for a pitcher is over rated.

 

 

I agree 100%. :thumb: Arroyo has pitched great this season and finally picked up his first win.

[mcpapa]

Quality starts.

[h.s.sportsrbest]

Quality starts.

 

Under or over-rated?

[mcpapa]

Anyone who has read much of Bill James' work and likes numbers will be familiar with some of his concepts; including "runs created", "win shares", "range factor", etc. as more accurate indicators than RBI, W-L, etc.

[U Reach I Teach]

Win/Loss -- Look at Bronson Arroyo .. ERA is in the 2s and only has 1 win. Lack of run support.

[mcpapa]

Under or over-rated?

 

Sorry for not clarifying. Quality starts are UNDER-rated. Some automatically say "but a starter can go 6 innings, give up 3 runs and have an ERA of 4.50". While technically true, that rarely happens, and in fact, quality starts in the aggregate are so much "better" statistically than non-quality starts as to defy conventional wisdom.

[h.s.sportsrbest]

Sorry for not clarifying. Quality starts are UNDER-rated. Some automatically say "but a starter can go 6 innings, give up 3 runs and have an ERA of 4.50". While technically true, that rarely happens, and in fact, quality starts in the aggregate are so much "better" statistically than non-quality starts as to defy conventional wisdom.

 

:thumb: :thumb:

 

Than I agree. I wasn't sure which way you were going.

[Latch]

I disagree that K's are not an important statistic. If a pitcher doesn't let you put the ball in play it's tough to score. For a hitter the more you put the ball in play especially w/ people on base more good thiings can happen.

 

I think ground ball ratio for pitchers is way under-rated.