May 3, 200719 yr A follow-up to the OPB vs batting average debate..... What baseball stats are over-rated and which are truly meaningful? Any under-rated? IMO fielding % can be over-rated. Won-loss record for pitcher's can be over-rated. Saves are over-rated.
May 3, 200719 yr Batting average is over rated because if you hit .300, you still only get a hit 3 out of every 10 times they get to bat.
May 3, 200719 yr Batting average is over rated because if you hit .300, you still only get a hit 3 out of every 10 times they get to bat. :creepy: How does that make it overrated?
May 3, 200719 yr Disagree on saves being overrated. Important aspect, of finishing a game and 6-8 blown saves, can oft be the difference in 1st-3rd. I feel several are "overrated" and in no order.... K's - strikeouts, not an accurate measure of a pitchers effectiveness. SB's - stolen bases, lost fundamental of the game CG - complete games, a thing of the past in MLB ERA's - can be misleading WP's - wild pitches, serve little purpose HBP's - give an indication, of on the plate/little fear
May 3, 200719 yr My opinion on some under-rated stats in baseball: * Runs Produced (Runs + Rbi - HR's) * On-base Pct. * Slugging Pct. * Total Bases * Outfield Assists * WHIP * Percentage of inherited runners scored * Stolen base pct. Over-Rated: * Fielding Pct. * Pitcher's win/loss * Batting Average * Strikeouts (both for pitchers and hitters) * Gold Glove winners (rarely goes to best defenders)
May 3, 200719 yr Win-Loss for a pitcher is over rated. I agree 100%. :thumb: Arroyo has pitched great this season and finally picked up his first win.
May 3, 200719 yr Anyone who has read much of Bill James' work and likes numbers will be familiar with some of his concepts; including "runs created", "win shares", "range factor", etc. as more accurate indicators than RBI, W-L, etc.
May 3, 200719 yr Win/Loss -- Look at Bronson Arroyo .. ERA is in the 2s and only has 1 win. Lack of run support.
May 3, 200719 yr Under or over-rated? Sorry for not clarifying. Quality starts are UNDER-rated. Some automatically say "but a starter can go 6 innings, give up 3 runs and have an ERA of 4.50". While technically true, that rarely happens, and in fact, quality starts in the aggregate are so much "better" statistically than non-quality starts as to defy conventional wisdom.
May 3, 200719 yr Sorry for not clarifying. Quality starts are UNDER-rated. Some automatically say "but a starter can go 6 innings, give up 3 runs and have an ERA of 4.50". While technically true, that rarely happens, and in fact, quality starts in the aggregate are so much "better" statistically than non-quality starts as to defy conventional wisdom. :thumb: :thumb: Than I agree. I wasn't sure which way you were going.
May 3, 200719 yr I disagree that K's are not an important statistic. If a pitcher doesn't let you put the ball in play it's tough to score. For a hitter the more you put the ball in play especially w/ people on base more good thiings can happen. I think ground ball ratio for pitchers is way under-rated.
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