Capernicus41 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Placido Palanco? Really? Scott Rolen. I was talking about when he was moved to 1B full time. 2001 and 2002 he played all over (1B, 3B, LF, RF). Again, I agree with you. Mike Trout the player is amazing and a CF is much more valuable. But was just saying Pujols came up playing all over and ultimately went to first to avoid surgery on elbow during season and because that's where he fit best with the roster they had. 3B: Rolen LF: Sanders CF: Edmonds RF: Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twotoplace Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Pujols isn't making any of these plays. I think we're making some apples-to-oranges comparisons here. I didn't see Johnny Bench making many of those plays, either. If we want to judge baseball talent strictly in terms of five-tool versatility, then Bo Jackson was the greatest baseball player in history. Unfortunately, in spite of his God-given gifts, his lifetime batting average was only .250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOOGY Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I think we're making some apples-to-oranges comparisons here. I didn't see Johnny Bench making many of those plays, either. If we want to judge baseball talent strictly in terms of five-tool versatility, then Bo Jackson was the greatest baseball player in history. Unfortunately, in spite of his God-given gifts, his lifetime batting average was only .250. He wasn't a five tool player, cause he only hit .250... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbird Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Brandon Larson doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Schue Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Scott Rolen. I was talking about when he was moved to 1B full time. 2001 and 2002 he played all over (1B, 3B, LF, RF). Again, I agree with you. Mike Trout the player is amazing and a CF is much more valuable. But was just saying Pujols came up playing all over and ultimately went to first to avoid surgery on elbow during season and because that's where he fit best with the roster they had. 3B: Rolen LF: Sanders CF: Edmonds RF: Walker Yeah, I checked it out and Pujols was moved to first long before Rolen got to town. Palanco was the 3B for you guys then. Ergo, my dropping his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaseballIsLife Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Crazy to think we have Harper and Trout in the same era. Another question is to ask is when is the last time baseball has had two great young stars at those ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Schue Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Crazy to think we have Harper and Trout in the same era. Another question is to ask is when is the last time baseball has had two great young stars at those ages. Gooden and Strawberry at a combined 41 years of age in 1984 is the first one that came to mind. Doc's rookie year at 19 (2.60 ERA, 17-9, 276K, 73BB, 218IP, 3 shutouts) and Daryl's sophomore year (26HR, 27 steals, 97RBI, .810 OPS) as a 22yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capernicus41 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Yeah, I checked it out and Pujols was moved to first long before Rolen got to town. Palanco was the 3B for you guys then. Ergo, my dropping his name. He played all 4. I was saying full time. Check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumper_Dad Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Through their first roughly 600 games (Pujols with 120 more AB) Trout .307 avg/ 130 HR/ 374 RBI/ .397 OBP/ .565 SLG/ .962 OPS/ 585 K/ 318 BB Pujols .333 avg/ 160 HR/ 504 RBI/ .413 OBP/ .634 SLG/ 1.037/ 279 K /304 BB Trout had two years where he stole bases but has since pretty much quit trying, but he has a huge lead in stolen bases just from those first two full seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumper_Dad Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Gooden and Strawberry at a combined 41 years of age in 1984 is the first one that came to mind. Doc's rookie year at 19 (2.60 ERA, 17-9, 276K, 73BB, 218IP, 3 shutouts) and Daryl's sophomore year (26HR, 27 steals, 97RBI, .810 OPS) as a 22yo. I loved Doc back in the day, never liked Straw though. He was always talking about he and Eric Davis hooking up with the Dodgers...that kept me mad at him :lol2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Schue Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 He played all 4. I was saying full time. Check it out. My point being, his bat was too incredible for them not to find a spot for him, and it was clear he couldn't cut it at 3B or OF. (I played first. I know how this works.) First base made sense, and he turned himself into a standout defender at the weakest defensive position on the diamond. No shame in that, but let's not make him out to be an Ozzie Smith elite defensive guy. Joey Votto emulated Pujols and turned himself into a standout at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Schue Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I loved Doc back in the day, never liked Straw though. He was always talking about he and Eric Davis hooking up with the Dodgers...that kept me mad at him :lol2: True. But I totally mimicked his swing — with Will Clark elements — when I taught myself how to hit left because I couldn't hit a damned curveball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet16 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 My point being, his bat was too incredible for them not to find a spot for him, and it was clear he couldn't cut it at 3B or OF. (I played first. I know how this works.) First base made sense, and he turned himself into a standout defender at the weakest defensive position on the diamond. No shame in that, but let's not make him out to be an Ozzie Smith elite defensive guy. Joey Votto emulated Pujols and turned himself into a standout at first. Nobody is comparing him to the greatest defensive players of all time. Pujols while at STL was one of the best defensive 1B. I watched him play 3B when he came up and he was above average over there. He would not have been a gold glover but he was solid over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKY Bandit Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Greg Vaughn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyAdams Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 He just turned 24 today. I guess you could say he's going to be a solid ball player for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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