Any changes in opinion?

[lynks66]

Most who post on here are pretty involved in the political process and are fairly engrained in there political beliefs imo. I just wondered if there were any posters who have changed their opinion on President Obama since he has taken office? For example, are there any posters who voted for President Obama, but would not do so now, or vice versa?

[All Tell]

If possible my opioion of Obama has gotten worse. I called him a socialist during the campaign just to get under the skin of his supporters but now I believe that he is if not a pure socialist at least very strongly leaning in that direction. It will be very interesting to see how he reacts if, as many pundits predict, the Dems lose control of one or both houses of Congress. Say what you will about Clinton but he did become much more moderate after he lost control of Congress. I don't think Obama has it in him to moderate his agenda.

[Trinity alum]

If possible my opioion of Obama has gotten worse. I called him a socialist during the campaign just to get under the skin of his supporters but now I believe that he is if not a pure socialist at least very strongly leaning in that direction. It will be very interesting to see how he reacts if, as many pundits predict, the Dems lose control of one or both houses of Congress. Say what you will about Clinton but he did become much more moderate after he lost control of Congress. I don't think Obama has it in him to moderate his agenda.

 

Let's take health care as an example. A socialist would have insisted on a government run program like the National Health Service. Did Obama propose that? No. A strong liberal would have insisted on a single payer system like Medicare. Did Obama propose that? A liberal leaning moderate would have insisted on a public option. Did Obama do that? What Obama did was pass a VERY moderate and modest reform of our existing system that is dominated by private insurance. Socialist? Hardly. Let's talk about the auto companies. President Obama continued the system started by President Bush. Once the government had control of two of the big three a socialist would have maintained that control. The very moderate President Obama has stayed out of the day to day management of the companies and is moving as quickly as possible to divest the governments share (and thereby recoup most if not all of the peoples investment), Socialist? Hardly. It is easy enough to toss around words like socialist and government takeover but the facts don't support it. Spewing that garbage may even help the Republicans win an election. It still won't make the charges true.

[bballfamily]

Let's take health care as an example. A socialist would have insisted on a government run program like the National Health Service. Did Obama propose that? No. A strong liberal would have insisted on a single payer system like Medicare. Did Obama propose that? A liberal leaning moderate would have insisted on a public option. Did Obama do that? What Obama did was pass a VERY moderate and modest reform of our existing system that is dominated by private insurance. Socialist? Hardly. Let's talk about the auto companies. President Obama continued the system started by President Bush. Once the government had control of two of the big three a socialist would have maintained that control. The very moderate President Obama has stayed out of the day to day management of the companies and is moving as quickly as possible to divest the governments share (and thereby recoup most if not all of the peoples investment), Socialist? Hardly. It is easy enough to toss around words like socialist and government takeover but the facts don't support it. Spewing that garbage may even help the Republicans win an election. It still won't make the charges true.

 

Moderate compared to what, a totalitarian government? One step at a time for Obama and his cohorts.

[ColonelCrazy]

Interesting question, lynks. I'd love to see everyone answer your question.

[Trinity alum]

Moderate compared to what, a totalitarian government? One step at a time for Obama and his cohorts.

I gave examples, you gave a barb. Let's see your examples.

[rockmom]

I actually have the same opinion now as then. He's delivered on Healthcare reform. Whether you like the legislation or not, it's a promise he delivered. He has a plan in place to bring troops home from both Iraq and Afghanistan, one that has at least a modicum of support from the military. Another promise he's delivered. Those are two big ones in my opinion. The economy, while not back to where it was, is improving slowly. We likely will not be the "same" as before the crash, but I feel we're likely moving in a more sustainable, stable way of conducting business in the future.

 

Given the opportunity, I'll vote for him again.

[Dlbdonn]

I actually have the same opinion now as then. He's delivered on Healthcare reform. Whether you like the legislation or not, it's a promise he delivered. He has a plan in place to bring troops home from both Iraq and Afghanistan, one that has at least a modicum of support from the military. Another promise he's delivered. Those are two big ones in my opinion. The economy, while not back to where it was, is improving slowly. We likely will not be the "same" as before the crash, but I feel we're likely moving in a more sustainable, stable way of conducting business in the future.

 

Given the opportunity, I'll vote for him again.

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[75center]

No change. With compliments to Dennis Green, "he is who I thought he was".

[marvel]

I actually have the same opinion now as then. He's delivered on Healthcare reform. Whether you like the legislation or not, it's a promise he delivered.

 

That was their exact ideology to the American people. "Ah we really don't care if you're in favor of it....we're gonna pass it anyway."

 

The economy, well you can have a debate on whether its getting back on track or not, that's for a different thread.

 

Honestly I thought Obama would be willing to reach across the aisle more as he promised, instead he is taking a more "my way or your wrong" approach. I thought he would try and connect himself to the American people more than he is, which I beleive he is distancing himself more and more.

 

Other than those two, he is proving himself to be the man I thought he was.

[rockmom]

That was their exact ideology to the American people. "Ah we really don't care if you're in favor of it....we're gonna pass it anyway."

 

The economy, well you can have a debate on whether its getting back on track or not, that's for a different thread.

Honestly I thought Obama would be willing to reach across the aisle more as he promised, instead he is taking a more "my way or your wrong" approach. I thought he would try and connect himself to the American people more than he is, which I beleive he is distancing himself more and more.

 

Other than those two, he is proving himself to be the man I thought he was.

 

On the first part, I don't think that's what Obama was intending. I believe that's what the anti-Obama establishment painted it to be.

 

I heartily disagree on the bolded. There's been much in the media about his meeting with Republican leaders, as well as insight into meetings. He doesn't come off as the "my way or you're wrong" sort of person at all to me. But there's only so much you can do if the other side is completely unwilling to give an inch.

 

As to the last of your statements, I don't remember what your exact thoughts were before the election, but I believe you were in the anti-Obama camp, if I remember correctly.

[marvel]

On the first part, I don't think that's what Obama was intending. I believe that's what the anti-Obama establishment painted it to be.

 

I heartily disagree on the bolded. There's been much in the media about his meeting with Republican leaders, as well as insight into meetings. He doesn't come off as the "my way or you're wrong" sort of person at all to me. But there's only so much you can do if the other side is completely unwilling to give an inch.

 

As to the last of your statements, I don't remember what your exact thoughts were before the election, but I believe you were in the anti-Obama camp, if I remember correctly.

 

If by first part you mean my healthcare comment, I am sticking by it. Nancy Pelosi was a prime example of this when she made her comments about passing legislation basically saying we're going to pass it, no matter what.

 

He may meet with Republicans, but a big part of me feels he is only doing it because he has to to look good in the media eye that way he can go back and say " LOOK, LOOK, I DID IT!!" His comments about Republicans to the media however say something different. He is constantly bashing Republicans stances. Come on RM, saying that the Republicans are not even willing to give an inch is just absurd. You don't like what they're proposing so you and the liberal media just label the Republicans as Unwilling. Repubs are just going against something (example being healthcare) Are they against it because its Obama or are they against it because the overwhelming majority of Americans do no want it? Once they do not side with the Dems, Repubs are labeled "Unwilling". That's how politics is now-a-days. Sadly.

 

Yes I wasn't a big fan of Obama. That said, I really didn't like McCain either. Reminds me of South Park...You gotta vote for either a turd or a D-Bag. I wish I didn't have to vote for either.

[ColonelCrazy]

I actually have the same opinion now as then. He's delivered on Healthcare reform. Whether you like the legislation or not, it's a promise he delivered. He has a plan in place to bring troops home from both Iraq and Afghanistan, one that has at least a modicum of support from the military. Another promise he's delivered. Those are two big ones in my opinion. The economy, while not back to where it was, is improving slowly. We likely will not be the "same" as before the crash, but I feel we're likely moving in a more sustainable, stable way of conducting business in the future.

 

Given the opportunity, I'll vote for him again.

 

Is it possible (if not likely) that the war in Iraq was going to end regardless of who was in office?

 

Is it possible (if not likely) that the economy was going to rebound regardless of who was in office?

 

I'm not a guy who hates Obama, but do you really believe that he deserves credit for (potentially) ending the war? Or for the economy rebounding? Or is he just in office at the right time?

[bballfamily]

I gave examples, you gave a barb. Let's see your examples.

 

Compared to anything that we, as a nation, has done to this point, Obama's program is very liberal. Except maybe Social Security, which is a financial failure and helping to lead us to financial ruin.

It should have been used as guide post that big government programs in the long run are problem makers, not problem solvers.

[bballfamily]

On the first part, I don't think that's what Obama was intending. I believe that's what the anti-Obama establishment painted it to be.

 

I heartily disagree on the bolded. There's been much in the media about his meeting with Republican leaders, as well as insight into meetings. He doesn't come off as the "my way or you're wrong" sort of person at all to me. But there's only so much you can do if the other side is completely unwilling to give an inch.

 

As to the last of your statements, I don't remember what your exact thoughts were before the election, but I believe you were in the anti-Obama camp, if I remember correctly.

 

"He doesn't come come off as the "my way or your're wrong" sort of person..." What was it he said to McCain at one meeting, You lost or I won? Something really snide like that.