43% of Liberal Iowans describe themselves as Socialist

[Bert]

After reading this thread I am convinced Macro Economics should be mandatory curriculum in high school based and the bad economic understanding being displayed in this thread. Thank you Dr. Zehnder for teaching me economic principles at Trinity and Bellarmine.

[LIPTON BASH]

This country crossed the threshold into socialism more than a century ago. The first great socialist president was Roosevelt -- Teddy, not FDR. Socialist programs actually heighten freedom for average working men and women -- Medicare, G.I. Bill, Social Security, Bush's Plan D drug plan, V.A. hospitals are all socialist programs that improve our lives collectively.

 

Literally nothing you listed equals freedom.

[LIPTON BASH]

After reading this thread I am convinced Macro Economics should be mandatory curriculum in high school based and the bad economic understanding being displayed in this thread. Thank you Dr. Zehnder for teaching me economic principles at Trinity and Bellarmine.

 

The most frustrating part of commenting on this site is seemingly educated people with a complete lack of understanding of economics.

[Hellcats]

Bernie can't either, he only missed it by 4-5 Trillion dollars.

 

Bernie isn't campaigning on how he's going to make this nation rich.

[Jesse James]

Bernie isn't campaigning on how he's going to make this nation rich.

 

You are correct with that statement. I guess the real question here is what our definition of "freedom" is. This country little by little is inching closer to somewhere we do not want to be....

[capt278]

If Bernie Sanders can detail how he'd pay for his most expensive proposal, why can't Donald Trump? - Jan. 20, 2016

 

JFK was in a different generation. That was an easy question to ask when it seemed everyone had a shot.

 

Everyone in this generation has a shot. It takes hard work and the will to WANT to be better.

 

The entitlement mindset in the country is killing it.

[75center]

Bernie isn't campaigning on how he's going to make this nation rich.

 

Which of course has nothing to do with the topic.

[Hellcats]

You are correct with that statement. I guess the real question here is what our definition of "freedom" is. This country little by little is inching closer to somewhere we do not want to be....

 

We can preach we are free market capitalism all we want, but history tells us otherwise.

 

My guess is there is only about 20% of the nation that don't want some of the changes that are socialist in nature.

Healthcare for all and moderated/free post secondary education are just two.

 

I don't understand why so many middle class Americans fight against these principles. These two institutions are where the middle class is left in the cold. They make too much money to recieve subsidized insurance, and the cost is a burden on them. The same goes for post secondary education. The people who sit square in the middle class largely come out with the loans. Not the poor who rise above their raising or the rich who can afford tuition; the middle class is saddled with what seems to be a living tax.

 

I just wonder how far this would go in the general election if we got a politician stuck on an issue rather than a circus.

[Hellcats]

Everyone in this generation has a shot. It takes hard work and the will to WANT to be better.

 

The entitlement mindset in the country is killing it.

 

We disagree as usual. The chase for the dollar is killing this country.

 

 

 

Which of course has nothing to do with the topic.

 

43% of Iowans say they are Socialists...Bernie is a socialist.

I think it fits.

[MayfieldFan]

Electricians are licensed also but they can unionize. Why not the professionals I mentioned? And that's no word salad.

 

It is not a word salad, but it is a non-sequitur and red herring. Our nation is not having any debate, pro or con, about whether attorneys and architects should unionize or not. You might literally be the only person in America focusing on this.

[capt278]

We disagree as usual. The chase for the dollar is killing this country.

 

 

 

 

 

43% of Iowans say they are Socialists...Bernie is a socialist.

I think it fits.

 

The entitlement mindset is chasing the dollar, while doing absolutely nothing to earn it. Set back and let the government take care of you.

 

This is what is killing this country.

[rockmom]

Unions were formed for tradesmen and workers safety and job security in a time there were no labor laws or wage minimums. They were formed in response to the inequities of the company profiting at the expense of their employee's lives, both quality of life and phyisical, literal life. I do think in most ways, safety and wages are addressed by laws on the books now. But I have changed my mind that they are not needed at all. I've come back to believing that unions still have a role, a role on protecting the workers from the same pervasive quest for profits at the expense of the quality of life of the workers. And it's frustrating to see the number of people who don't work manual labor who think they know what is "right" or what "isn't necessary" because they are removed from the realities. In truth, unions paved the way for manufacturing and trades workers to provide the opportunities for parents to give their children to NOT work manual labor. Look at the comments about fast food workers in any of the threads here on BGP when the discussion of minimum wage comes up. They're derisive and condescending toward those workers. Yet, in reality, we NEED those workers.

 

And spare me the condescension regarding understanding macroeconomics. I may not understand it on the level some of you do. Bit for the majority of Americans, macroeconomics is the theory that is used to justify high profits for companies, while those creating those profits trudge through life with stagnant wages and bear the brunt of the political clout related to the value of corporate profits over the quality of life for workers.

[Hellcats]

The entitlement mindset is chasing the dollar, while doing absolutely nothing to earn it. Set back and let the government take care of you.

 

This is what is killing this country.

 

People are getting lazier, right?! OK :thumb: Old folks been saying that for years.

Edited January 23, 2016 by Hellcats

[Jesse James]

We can preach we are free market capitalism all we want, but history tells us otherwise.

 

My guess is there is only about 20% of the nation that don't want some of the changes that are socialist in nature.

Healthcare for all and moderated/free post secondary education are just two.

 

I don't understand why so many middle class Americans fight against these principles. These two institutions are where the middle class is left in the cold. They make too much money to recieve subsidized insurance, and the cost is a burden on them. The same goes for post secondary education. The people who sit square in the middle class largely come out with the loans. Not the poor who rise above their raising or the rich who can afford tuition; the middle class is saddled with what seems to be a living tax.

 

I just wonder how far this would go in the general election if we got a politician stuck on an issue rather than a circus.

 

Care to explain this?

 

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[Hellcats]

Care to explain this?

 

Feds Open To Privatizing Ailing Obamacare Co-Ops

 

Obamacare is not health care for all. It is a mish mash that could get passed with special interest sprinkled in.