NCAA has fined Penn State $60 Mil, banned 4-Years from playing in a bowl game and vacated there wins from 1998

Edited July 23, 201214 yr by All State Baseball

Defended Paterno and said everyone has jumped to conclusions without hearing the facts. He said he talked to Paterno and he swore to him that he did not know anything about it. They didn't let Paterno defend himself.

He also said he wants to go back to PSU to help restore the program but isn't going to give them a donation unless it could go to the Paterno library.

 

Just sounds bitter.

He is welcome to make a statement.

He is welcome to make a statement.

 

Honestly I wish he was still here so he could watch his legacy crumble in person.

So you admit it was unethical, but it doesn't fall under the unethical conduct bylaw? That doesn't make any sense.

 

If the Bylaw didn't include the statement "but is not limited to" I would agree with you, but it does include that statement so the NCAA can step in.

 

 

I will try one more time.

 

The bylaw is clearly written to address unethical conduct during an investigation of NCAA rules violations. What NCAA rule did Penn State violate?

I will try one more time.

 

The bylaw is clearly written to address unethical conduct during an investigation of NCAA rules violations. What NCAA rule did Penn State violate?

 

Clearly they can sanction PSU, regardless of what you read. PSU's acceptance of those sanctions proves they knew the NCAA was going to drop the hammer. When you are a governing body you are obligated to insure your members operate with the highest integrity. That's what the NCAA is doing, as they should be.

Clearly they can sanction PSU, regardless of what you read. PSU's acceptance of those sanctions proves they knew the NCAA was going to drop the hammer. When you are a governing body you are obligated to insure your members operate with the highest integrity. That's what the NCAA is doing, as they should be.

 

Then so be it. But there is no precedent for what they are doing in this case and it greatly broadens their power. Perhaps it is for the better. Maybe now when we see coaches and athletes lying to the press or being charged with crimes, the NCAA can penalize them for unethical conduct and bringing disrepute to their institution.

Defended Paterno and said everyone has jumped to conclusions without hearing the facts. He said he talked to Paterno and he swore to him that he did not know anything about it. They didn't let Paterno defend himself.

 

He also said he wants to go back to PSU to help restore the program but isn't going to give them a donation unless it could go to the Paterno library.

 

Just sounds bitter.

 

Paterno had 13 years to speak mind...

Then so be it. But there is no precedent for what they are doing in this case and it greatly broadens their power. Perhaps it is for the better. Maybe now when we see coaches and athletes lying to the press or being charged with crimes, the NCAA can penalize them for unethical conduct and bringing disrepute to their institution.

 

It isn't for the better. The NCAA is totally wrong on this even though the punishment most certainly fits the crime.

Then so be it. But there is no precedent for what they are doing in this case and it greatly broadens their power. Perhaps it is for the better. Maybe now when we see coaches and athletes lying to the press or being charged with crimes, the NCAA can penalize them for unethical conduct and bringing disrepute to their institution.

 

There is no precedent because something of this magnitude has never happened before (that we are aware of). If the NCAA looks the other way on this, they lose credibility. Allowing one of their member schools to put athletics ahead of victims or allow such a predator to continue to operate and essentially use the facility in his crimes would be reprehensible. To me this case is clearly a lack of institutional control. They may not have interfered with a NCAA investigation, but they clearly interfered with a criminal investigation. I feel for the current students and student athletes currently at the university. Most of them will land on their feet should they choose to stay or go. I grew up rooting for Penn State, have know several guys that played football at Penn State, went to Penn States youth football camps (and yes I met Sandusky and Paterno, though only briefly), and have visited Penn State many times. Had I not received a baseball scholly, I probably would have walked on at Penn State. I can't fathom what was going through the minds of Paterno and everyone else in charge that swept this under the rug, but the NCAA acted accordingly, and sent the right message in this case. The affection I had for Penn State football is gone, and really the punishment may not have been enough. JoePa's legacy has been effectively destroyed, and rightfully so.

I understand all the penalties except vacating the wins. There was no competitive advantage. I am glad they got hit hard and they should be ashamed of what happened but still not sure about the wins taken away.

 

Lots of talk about that this morning.

 

The only argument I've heard that begins to support "competitive advantage" is that Paterno and his name/reputation was at PSU for years after he shouldn't have been; thereby attracting name players and staff that might not otherwise have gone there.

 

Not saying I buy it; just saying that's the argument.

Lots of talk about that this morning.

 

The only argument I've heard that begins to support "competitive advantage" is that Paterno and his name/reputation was at PSU for years after he shouldn't have been; thereby attracting name players and staff that might not otherwise have gone there.

 

Not saying I buy it; just saying that's the argument.

A competitive advantage is all relative to what you think it means. At SMU they paid players, good players to suit up for them and it is obvious what the advantage was. In this case a protection of the program was instilled so that a competitive disadvantage did not come about. Maybe a key recruit decides to go to tOSU instead of PSU and they do not win their recent Orange Bowl because of the cover-up??? That is more than plausible. In turn, I look at that as a competitive advantage.

Bravo; the NCAA finally did something right. I don't have any problems with what Penn State received and consider it all well fit. I believe that this also paints the picture clearly of how protecting the image of any individual or sports program is not worth going from a highly iconic status to as low as one can go, which is clearly what happened to Joe Paterno. I do feel bad for the other sports programs, because the actions of Joe Pa and the others have left them in very tough positions.

 

I'm sure that this has Syracuse on pins and needles now.

Edited July 23, 201214 yr by hrcarrier

A buddy sent me a text saying that the only thing they left out was requiring the statue to be placed in the library as a reminder to keep quiet.

I know, wrong and inappropriate, but funny.

How in the world can anyone defend PSU or criticize the NCAA for this? If anything, the penalty wasn't harsh enough.

As in almost any case similar to this, the coverup or failure to act is worse than admitting the offense in the first place. If Penn State had come down on Sandusky in 2001 following the McQuery report of an incident and reported him to the legal authorities, there would have been few if any repercusions against PSU and Paterno. I could even see PSU being applauded by the public because they had the guts to risk their reputation and report it. Instead, they did not report it to the legal authorities and the institution suffers far more than they ever would have if they had just done the right thing.