I will admit I haven't read every post.

 

I am on record saying I didn't agree with everyone else on their feelings towards Joe Pa.

 

I will say After truly reading the report I do question JoePa and several others people behavior including some parents of couple of the childern

 

As for the NCAA - they are truly a joke. Talk about quick to convict. I would like to see them take more time.

 

I have no problem with 90% of what they did.

 

I disagree with the loss of 40 scholarships. They are putting kids in danger. There will be kids play for PSU that are not as talented playing in the BIG10 and could get hurt. Also there are 50 Junior and Seniors that the broke it off in today.

That last paragraph is a joke, right?

That last paragraph is a joke, right?

 

Hard to say. Penn State is notorious for putting kids in danger so I'm guessing they'll put them in danger and then try to cover it up 13 years later.

See, I would say this might be one of the only instances in which you could get every school on board with. If you talk to them and ask "should anyone and/or institution value it's coaches/program/university more than the welfare of defenseless children?" I would imagine you would get a resounding "No" from everyone.

That isn't the issue. The question is whether the NCAA should take steps to penalize a program that hasn't been found guilty of NCAA violations.

That isn't the issue. The question is whether the NCAA should take steps to penalize a program that hasn't been found guilty of NCAA violations.

 

So the Freeh report carries no weight with you?

 

 

What should the NCAA have done?

So the Freeh report carries no weight with you?

 

 

What should the NCAA have done?

 

I know the Freeh report is just one guys findings. But it is pretty comprehensive, and supported by lots of what appears to be facts. The one thing in this whole mess that really stands out to me, that really has not been mentioned much throughout this whole case is Sandusky's sudden retirement. Think about it, he went from being the head coach in waiting to retiring almost overnight in 1999 (while only in his mid 50's), which we find out is right around the time Paterno and PSU officials first became aware there might be an issue. I don't think it's a really big stretch to see that this sudden "retirement" wasn't related to this mess, and that the folks in charge, (JoePa) included didn't push him down that road.

So the Freeh report carries no weight with you?

 

 

What should the NCAA have done?

 

The Freeh report was commissioned by the board of the University. It was not an 'independent' report. Freeh was paid by those who had a definite interest in how it read and who it protected.

 

I remember hearing before the report came out that there were those would not associated with the program at alumni functions, golf scrambles, etc. because they knew there was an active cover up over the Sandusky incidents.

 

They have taken down the statute, they have sacrificed the football program on the NCAA alter and yet many who were in authority and who knew something was not right and ignored it and even activity participated in a coverup are still not under indictment.

 

I am not saying none of this was deserved. But I just do not want to see it used as a smokescreen to allow those should still face charges to slither away.

I know the Freeh report is just one guys findings. But it is pretty comprehensive, and supported by lots of what appears to be facts. The one thing in this whole mess that really stands out to me, that really has not been mentioned much throughout this whole case is Sandusky's sudden retirement. Think about it, he went from being the head coach in waiting to retiring almost overnight in 1999 (while only in his mid 50's), which we find out is right around the time Paterno and PSU officials first became aware there might be an issue. I don't think it's a really big stretch to see that this sudden "retirement" wasn't related to this mess, and that the folks in charge, (JoePa) included didn't push him down that road.

 

 

And I believe there was a huge outcry that this wasn't right when Sandusky was let go. If they only knew. This is where PSU made their wrong turn. If they had cut ties with Sandusky completely at that time, PSU's pristine moral record would still be intact. Instead, a program that had never incurred one NCAA rules violation now has sufferred one of the worst punishments in NCAA history.

And I believe there was a huge outcry that this wasn't right when Sandusky was let go. If they only knew. This is where PSU made their wrong turn. If they had cut ties with Sandusky completely at that time, PSU's pristine moral record would still be intact. Instead, a program that had never incurred one NCAA rules violation now has sufferred one of the worst punishments in NCAA history.

 

 

Agreed.

The Freeh report was commissioned by the board of the University. It was not an 'independent' report. Freeh was paid by those who had a definite interest in how it read and who it protected.

 

I remember hearing before the report came out that there were those would not associated with the program at alumni functions, golf scrambles, etc. because they knew there was an active cover up over the Sandusky incidents.

 

They have taken down the statute, they have sacrificed the football program on the NCAA alter and yet many who were in authority and who knew something was not right and ignored it and even activity participated in a coverup are still not under indictment.

 

I am not saying none of this was deserved. But I just do not want to see it used as a smokescreen to allow those should still face charges to slither away.

 

Is it possible that since this involved high ranking officials all the way up to the President that this could affect the school's accreditation? I've seen people say that it should. Is it possible those people aren't necessarily in the clear they just haven't been subpoenaed yet?

Give me a break. Weakest line of reasoning I have seen in any of this. And that's saying a lot...

 

Do you really think PSU will find kids to go there? I truly think there is no way they can recruit kids to go to PSU for the next 4-5 years. Why would kids want to go?

Do you really think PSU will find kids to go there? I truly think there is no way they can recruit kids to go to PSU for the next 4-5 years. Why would kids want to go?

 

They'll probably still pull in players better than the ones UK has playing in the SEC.

Do you really think PSU will find kids to go there? I truly think there is no way they can recruit kids to go to PSU for the next 4-5 years. Why would kids want to go?

A free ride in the Big 10 and plenty of playing time. Do you find what Vandy and UK put on the field in the SEC just as dangerous???

Do you really think PSU will find kids to go there? I truly think there is no way they can recruit kids to go to PSU for the next 4-5 years. Why would kids want to go?

Especially with so few scholarships to deliver. I wonder what the over/under is for total wins for the next 5 years? I am setting it at 21. Talk about no coaching pressure.

 

Now that this is over, I am hoping Penn State can climb their way back to the top. We are America and love a good success story.

They'll probably still pull in players better than the ones UK has playing in the SEC.

 

Which is saying nothing.

So the Freeh report carries no weight with you?

 

 

What should the NCAA have done?

 

The NCAA, should have waited for all criminal and civil proceedings. Then, they should have levied their penalty. I say thus for 2 reasons. A. The NCAA should be there to govern the field of sportsmanship and allow the courts to levy fines for civil lawsuits. What the NCAA has done is levied punitive damages, but who gets the 60 million? The NCAA or the victims? U mean, will victims funds get all of it? I want to see an accounting when all funds are handed out. How will this affect the recovery of the victims when they get their day in civil court? I hope that it doesn't reduce what they could recover

2. This was not a cover up by the University, but rather four men who have been identified and will do jail time and pay damages. The NCAA should have waited to see the severity of those fines and sentences