On what basis?

 

He was saying this was a criminal incident and not an academic or cheating and that the NCAA overstepped its boundaries on their punishment.

He was saying this was a criminal incident and not an academic or cheating and that the NCAA overstepped its boundaries on their punishment.

Agreed ...

Let's see how it's unrelated.

 

PSU's football program is THE reason kids wanted to come around Sandusky. He used his power as defensive coordinator to get these kids on campus. Camps and clinics were held on campus where he met kids. Some of the crimes happened in the football locker room, by a coach from the school, and covered up by other coaches on staff. He used his reputation as a defensive coordinator to start a foundation that assisted in recruiting more victims.

 

Additionally, college coaches go through hours of compliance, education and developmental training required by the NCAA. Hell, HS coaches sit through courses that discuss relationships with HS students and they don't have nearly as much training as college coaches. If the NCAA is overstepping their bounds, why hasn't anyone complained about these training courses before?

Let's see how it's unrelated.

 

PSU's football program is THE reason kids wanted to come around Sandusky. He used his power as defensive coordinator to get these kids on campus. Camps and clinics were held on campus where he met kids. Some of the crimes happened in the football locker room, by a coach from the school, and covered up by other coaches on staff. He used his reputation as a defensive coordinator to start a foundation that assisted in recruiting more victims.

 

Additionally, college coaches go through hours of compliance, education and developmental training required by the NCAA. Hell, HS coaches sit through courses that discuss relationships with HS students and they don't have nearly as much training as college coaches. If the NCAA is overstepping their bounds, why hasn't anyone complained about these training courses before?

 

May I add, that it was the power and prestige of the football program that fueled the eventual cover-up.

 

The NCAA is the governing body of major college athletics. It is as much it's job to protect the image of athletic programs, and sports it governs, as it is to regulate their behavior, academically and from a competitive standpoint. This incident has tarnished ALL of college football, if not all of college athletics, not just PSU and is much more damaging than student athletes getting paid and missing classes.

 

As the governing body of major college sports, it is the NCAA's responsibility to make sure that program responsible for perpetuating and covering up this criminal behavior be punished in a way that it NEVER happens again. In my view, THAT is very the function of the NCAA.

So if Syracuse is guilty in the Fine case, will they also get what Penn St. got?

So if Syracuse is guilty in the Fine case, will they also get what Penn St. got?

 

If the cover-up is remotely close to what Paterno, et al. did, then sure. Obviously the atrocities that Sandusky committed were vile, illegal, and just flat wrong. But that is not why the NCAA threw down the hammer. It was because it was covered up by Penn State. The cover-up is what they are being punished for, not Sandusky's acts necessarily.

This incident has tarnished ALL of college football, if not all of college athletics, not just PSU ...

I disagree. Penn State has been harmed without question, but I don't see how other schools have. Penn State, and Penn State alone, is responsible for this mess.

I disagree. Penn State has been harmed without question, but I don't see how other schools have. Penn State, and Penn State alone, is responsible for this mess.

 

While I agree, what it has highlighted from a deeper perspective is how you can not let athletics or other powerful force like Paterno control a University. There are a multitude of schools this could happen.

If the cover-up is remotely close to what Paterno, et al. did, then sure. Obviously the atrocities that Sandusky committed were vile, illegal, and just flat wrong. But that is not why the NCAA threw down the hammer. It was because it was covered up by Penn State. The cover-up is what they are being punished for, not Sandusky's acts necessarily.

 

Exactly. If Syracuse and Jim Boeheim had any knowledge of any wrongdoings and didn't act on them, they most certainly should get similar penalties.

 

Although, I thought I heard someone on talk radio say those allegations were made up by the accusers. Was that a different case?

I disagree. Penn State has been harmed without question, but I don't see how other schools have. Penn State, and Penn State alone, is responsible for this mess.

 

One thing that stood out from the NCAA's statement was that, in short, college's need to be concerned about allowing one person run a university.

Do you really think PSU will find kids to go there? I truly think there is no way they can recruit kids to go to PSU for the next 4-5 years. Why would kids want to go?

 

They'll get kids. PA is a fertile area for football. Plus they've always done well recruiting in NJ and NY as there aren't really a ton of D1 options if a kid wants to stay close to home. Rutgers figures to be down with Schiano gone, Maryland isn't very good and then in PA you have Temple and Pitt. Sure Delaware is an option, but it's still only 1-AA and can't take everybody. There are only 124 D1 programs in the country. They may not get top 25 recruiting classes anymore, but there will always be some good talent to take those 65 scholly's they have to give.

I disagree. Penn State has been harmed without question, but I don't see how other schools have. Penn State, and Penn State alone, is responsible for this mess.

 

Yup. We disagree. Ain't this place grand.

 

While institutions all over the country are now forced to be more diligent in the policing of their athletic departments (Not just because of the NCAA ruling, but because of the federal funding part of PSU's situation.), the general public has been looking at football differently, already (the concussion issue, the money issues surrounding TV contracts and realignment, ..., etc.). The almost "Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely" aspect of the Sandusky incident (which is how I look at it) just adds fuel to that fire. To me, that is hurtful to the sport.

Yup. We disagree. Ain't this place grand.

 

While institutions all over the country are now forced to be more diligent in the policing of their athletic departments (Not just because of the NCAA ruling, but because of the federal funding part of PSU's situation.), the general public has been looking at football differently, already (the concussion issue, the money issues surrounding TV contracts and realignment, ..., etc.). The almost "Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely" aspect of the Sandusky incident (which is how I look at it) just adds fuel to that fire. To me, that is hurtful to the sport.

 

What's funny is that while the bolded certainly applied to PSU, I think it applies equally to the NCAA's response.