MJAlltheWay24 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 First, I said LIKELY to die. I'm not wishing them dead, I just don't want their number included in the Cov-19 big picture. But is that what his whole shut-down, self incarcerate, safe distance, and restrict life is all about. Good for your grandma. Good for my dad who also lived to be 97. BUT these are the most vulnerable of our population, and their deaths, either natural or because of Cov-19 are going to far outweigh the number of deaths brought about by this "crisis". I want to know what the impact is to the normal "healthy" population. I'm not wishing them/us dead, I just don't want their fatality numbers skewing the actual effect of this thing. If god forbid my dad dies from this but wouldve have lived another 10 years. He and others damn well should be included in that statistic. Their numbers aren't skewing anything. These are people that had their lives cut short because of this virus. Who knows how much longer many of them could've lived. Now would it be nice if they provided both types of numbers. Sure. But that's not remotely what you are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcpapa Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 If god forbid my dad dies from this but wouldve have lived another 10 years. He and others damn well should be included in that statistics. Now would it be nice if they provided both types of numbers. Sure. But that's not remotely what you said. They. Don’t. Count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeuce Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 First, I said LIKELY to die. I'm not wishing them dead, I just don't want their number included in the Cov-19 big picture. But is that what his whole shut-down, self incarcerate, safe distance, and restrict life is all about. Good for your grandma. Good for my dad who also lived to be 97. BUT these are the most vulnerable of our population, and their deaths, either natural or because of Cov-19 are going to far outweigh the number of deaths brought about by this "crisis". I want to know what the impact is to the normal "healthy" population. I'm not wishing them/us dead, I just don't want their fatality numbers skewing the actual effect of this thing. Can you just man up and say you don’t care about the people dying from COVID-19 because it inconveniences you? Stop beating around the bush... If you want to be about that life, really be about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellcats Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 By some of the thinking being displayed, we should go back and adjust the death toll of 9/11 and other tragedies . Tick off those deaths of people who had preexisting conditions. They were going to die in a decade or two if the plane wouldn’t crashed into the WTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeuce Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 By some of the thinking being displayed, we should go back and adjust the death toll of 9/11 and other tragedies . Tick off those deaths of people who had preexisting conditions. They were going to die in a decade or two if the plane wouldn’t crashed into the WTC. Probably WW2 as well. Some of those people definitely had pre-existing conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellcats Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Probably WW2 as well. Some of those people definitely had pre-existing conditions. High blood pressure runs in both sides of my family, but I don’t have it yet. Heaven forbid I get the CV and die, but I now wonder if I would count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Can you just man up and say you don’t care about the people dying from COVID-19 because it inconveniences you? Stop beating around the bush... If you want to be about that life, really be about it. Spot on my man. That summarizes it right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Can you just man up and say you don’t care about the people dying from COVID-19 because it inconveniences you? Stop beating around the bush... If you want to be about that life, really be about it. Death's in the U.S. CDC Heart disease: 647,457 Cancer: 599,108 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383 Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404 Diabetes: 83,564 Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633 Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173 Life comes with risks. I do agree that these are extraordinary times. I'm playing by all of the rules. Doesn't mean I have to like it or like the way its being handled. I'm just trying to provide some realistic view of the situation. Doesn't mean I'm right - or wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjs4470 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Death's in the U.S. CDC Heart disease: 647,457 Cancer: 599,108 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383 Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404 Diabetes: 83,564 Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633 Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173 [ATTACH=CONFIG]70265[/ATTACH] Life comes with risks. I do agree that these are extraordinary times. I'm playing by all of the rules. Doesn't mean I have to like it or like the way its being handled. I'm just trying to provide some realistic view of the situation. Doesn't mean I'm right - or wrong! You’re comparing annualized numbers for all these other causes of death with basically 1 month of numbers for CV-19. At the current rate with the shutdown, CV 19 would be number 3 on the list annualized. Without it, it easily would have been number 1. That’s what’s real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 You’re comparing annualized numbers for all these other causes of death with basically 1 month of numbers for CV-19. At the current rate with the shutdown, CV 19 would be number 3 on the list annualized. Without it, it easily would have been number 1. That’s what’s real. OK, Point well taken. I agree these are extra-ordinary times and that this is a concentrated event. But it is not the only thing that is a threat out there, and I do think the numbers are inflated as this event relates to the average normal healthy majority, who are being most effected with the side-effects of the disease. I'm still not convinced that we haven't gone completely off of the deep end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Death's in the U.S. CDC Heart disease: 647,457 Cancer: 599,108 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383 Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404 Diabetes: 83,564 Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633 Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173 [ATTACH=CONFIG]70265[/ATTACH] Life comes with risks. I do agree that these are extraordinary times. I'm playing by all of the rules. Doesn't mean I have to like it or like the way its being handled. I'm just trying to provide some realistic view of the situation. Doesn't mean I'm right - or wrong! If a lockdown for a couple months would eliminate heart disease or cancer, would you be in favor of it? That is the huge difference with CV19. We know we are saving thousands of lives by doing the lockdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrosefStalin Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Amazing when you look at those numbers just how pervasive heart disease is in the US. I truly hope - and am looking in the mirror on this one big time after seeing those numbers - people really take a moment to review how those numbers apply to them and move forward accordingly. Appreciate the post...happy Easter to all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeuce Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Death's in the U.S. CDCHeart disease: 647,457Cancer: 599,108Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404Diabetes: 83,564Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173[ATTACH=CONFIG]70265[/ATTACH]Life comes with risks.I do agree that these are extraordinary times.I'm playing by all of the rules. Doesn't mean I have to like it or like the way its being handled.I'm just trying to provide some realistic view of the situation.Doesn't mean I'm right - or wrong! Oh you’re definitely wrong. Man up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeuce Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 I'm still not convinced that we haven't gone completely off of the deep end. When are you volunteering at a local hospital? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Quarters Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 When are you volunteering at a local hospital? Darn, I do believe this is the second or third time you have asked that question with no respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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