tcjkbt Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 I put this in the college thread because I don't watch much NBA until the later rounds of the play-offs. As with most innovations players in the NBA probably created it, e.g., as with the Euro-step by Ginobili, Kukoc (sp) and maybe even George Gervin. The first college player who I remember used the step-back as part and parcel of his game was Kemba Walker of UConn. I'd be interested to see what others think about this.
The Professor Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 I don’t know who originated it but about half the highlights I see of the Rocket’s James Harden using it is a blatant traveling violation.
TheDeuce Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 I don’t know who originated it but about half the highlights I see of the Rocket’s James Harden using it is a blatant traveling violation. Only half? You're being conservative. :lol2:
ManOfTroy Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 I don’t know who originated it but about half the highlights I see of the Rocket’s James Harden using it is a blatant traveling violation. Only half? You're being conservative. :lol2: Do either of you know the NBA traveling rule? It is different than every other league in the world.
TheDeuce Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 Do either of you know the NBA traveling rule? It is different than every other league in the world. Surely you're not about to argue that Harden doesn't travel on quite a few of his step backs...
ManOfTroy Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 I put this in the college thread because I don't watch much NBA until the later rounds of the play-offs. As with most innovations players in the NBA probably created it, e.g., as with the Euro-step by Ginobili, Kukoc (sp) and maybe even George Gervin. The first college player who I remember used the step-back as part and parcel of his game was Kemba Walker of UConn. I'd be interested to see what others think about this. I think it goes way back but has become more used in recent years. I remember Jaime Walz at Highlands using it regularly in the early and mid 90s. I think the NBA (Larry Bird comes to mind) has had many doing a step-back jump shot for a long time but more from a set position or off of a stand-still dribble. I think the move has evolved from there out of necessity with defenders becoming more athletic and bigger.
ManOfTroy Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 Surely you're not about to argue that Harden doesn't travel on quite a few of his step backs... Do you know the NBA traveling rule?
TheDeuce Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 Do you know the NBA traveling rule? I know enough about the rule to know he walks... He's trying to manipulate the hand placement part of of the rule and fails at it as much as he executes it.
LIPTON BASH Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 Do you know the NBA traveling rule? Yes and Harden's move is a blatant walk. That is why when Steph did it in a game as a joke and got called for a walk he told the ref if he was harden he wouldn't call it.
ManOfTroy Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 I know enough about the rule to know he walks... He's trying to manipulate the hand placement part of of the rule and fails at it as much as he executes it. Yes and Harden's move is a blatant walk. That is why when Steph did it in a game as a joke and got called for a walk he told the ref if he was harden he wouldn't call it. Curry did an extra tap between steps--it wasn't even close to legal. I agree, it's a walk at times but under the NBA rules--when done properly--it is not a walk. From the time you gather the ball (which I assume, Duece, you are talking about) you get two steps. So, when done right, he gathers on the dribble as he's stepping forward and his two steps back are his two steps. We can all agree that the double step back is traveling.
Bobby Axelrod Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 Curry did an extra tap between steps--it wasn't even close to legal. I agree, it's a walk at times but under the NBA rules--when done properly--it is not a walk. From the time you gather the ball (which I assume, Duece, you are talking about) you get two steps. So, when done right, he gathers on the dribble as he's stepping forward and his two steps back are his two steps. We can all agree that the double step back is traveling. Harden definitely has traveled on some of his stepbacks, especially when he did a double. But majority of them are legal per NBA rules. Plenty of players through the NBA, college, and high school do that stepback now. I see it in pickup and men’s league ball I play in as well. Not a travel if done correctly.
Jim Schue Posted February 1, 2019 Posted February 1, 2019 Chris Jackson at LSU is the first guy I recall who did it with a lot of regularity.
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