Public School Closures - Teacher Protest

[Hatz]

I love teachers and what they do. But i'm sorry the exaggeration needs to stop.

 

Sounds like there’s exaggeration on the other side as well.

[LIPTON BASH]

Sounds like there’s exaggeration on the other side as well.

 

My point is one can respect what teachers do as I do most proffessions , without the hyberbole of making it sound like brain surgery.

[Soapy Water]

Again the false comparisons need to stop. The only skill set or job in the private sector to compare to is private school teachers. On average public school teachers make more.

 

Its not a false equivalency. Just comparing level of education and what wage is made between the two. Comparing private and public school teachers is a false equivalency. Pretty sure private school teachers don't have to attain a teaching certification like public school teachers do.

[LIPTON BASH]

Its not a false equivalency. Just comparing level of education and what wage is made between the two. Comparing private and public school teachers is a false equivalency. Pretty sure private school teachers don't have to attain a teaching certification like public school teachers do.

 

It's just a false comparison. If you work in the private sector you are normally working for a for profit organzation incentivizing certain positions to increase profits. If you work in the public sector you should always expect lower pay because the incentive isn't profitability.

 

If teaching is what you love I commend you and wish you a happy and fruitful life. But benefits and pay have changed and be revamped in most sectors in the last 10-20 years. This isn't new it is just hitting teachers later than the private sector.

[camelman]

If you were home schooled someone still taught you. That person was your teacher. While college professors are slightly different they are still teachers.

 

Everyone had to be be taught by someone. I don’t think people fully realize how much teachers are raising kids throughout their careers. Life skills and lessons that parents should be teaching are being taught by teachers. People don’t like to hear this but teachers know more things about a parents’ kid at times than the parents. Teachers see and spend more time with these kids than their parents.

 

You are exactly right here. Also, those same parents who are relying on the schools and teachers to raise their kids are also the first ones complaining when something doesn't swing their way. Times have surely changed.

Edited March 31, 2018 by camelman

[barrel]

Again the false comparisons need to stop. The only skill set or job in the private sector to compare to is private school teachers. On average public school teachers make more.

Ever taught? Are you married to a teacher? If not how can you say there is no comparison or how they compare?

 

Honest question here. What skill set do you believe a teacher needs?

[camelman]

Ever taught? Are you married to a teacher? If not how can you say there is no comparison or how they compare?

 

Honest question here. What skill set do you believe a teacher needs?

 

The following is making the rounds today. Maybe it will help some understand the situation instead of just saying that teachers need to suck it up like other employees in other fields.

 

Shared from Julie Anderson:

 

You go to work for a company and enjoy all of the benefits they offer, including a 401K. You invest in that 401K and hopefully your company matches a small %. One day your company says, “we want to expand and buy out another company so we can be bigger and better, but we don’t have the funds to pay for it, so employees, we are going to borrow your retirement to pay for it. Not just what we matched, but what you put in too. You have no choice. You cannot refuse. We are taking your money.” Years later the money has not been paid back into your 401K, your company has frivolously spent money, your money, on meaningless projects, and now your company says, “Sorry. We said it was a loan, but really we never intended to pay you back, so it was really a gift from you to us. Too bad there won’t be any money there for you to live on in your retirement. We are going to continue to invest in other projects instead of paying you back. Now, live with that decision and we don’t want to hear a peep out of you that it isn’t fair, that you put that money in in good faith that it would be there for you to retire on. And oh, by the way, you know that thing called Social Security? Yeah, because you invested in our retirement plan you weren’t allowed to participate in that either, so you are SOL any way you look at it. But we have no obligation to you, we owe you nothing, you owe us for being your employer. So sit down, shut up, and continue to do your job and quit whining.” How do you feel now?

[ColonelPops]

Boone County schools will be closed on Monday.

[GrantNKY]

The following is making the rounds today. Maybe it will help some understand the situation instead of just saying that teachers need to suck it up like other employees in other fields.

 

Shared from Julie Anderson:

 

You go to work for a company and enjoy all of the benefits they offer, including a 401K. You invest in that 401K and hopefully your company matches a small %. One day your company says, “we want to expand and buy out another company so we can be bigger and better, but we don’t have the funds to pay for it, so employees, we are going to borrow your retirement to pay for it. Not just what we matched, but what you put in too. You have no choice. You cannot refuse. We are taking your money.” Years later the money has not been paid back into your 401K, your company has frivolously spent money, your money, on meaningless projects, and now your company says, “Sorry. We said it was a loan, but really we never intended to pay you back, so it was really a gift from you to us. Too bad there won’t be any money there for you to live on in your retirement. We are going to continue to invest in other projects instead of paying you back. Now, live with that decision and we don’t want to hear a peep out of you that it isn’t fair, that you put that money in in good faith that it would be there for you to retire on. And oh, by the way, you know that thing called Social Security? Yeah, because you invested in our retirement plan you weren’t allowed to participate in that either, so you are SOL any way you look at it. But we have no obligation to you, we owe you nothing, you owe us for being your employer. So sit down, shut up, and continue to do your job and quit whining.” How do you feel now?

This is perfect. Well done.

[75center]

Camelman-don't forget the part about your company paid you less, in many instances, much less, than others with the same education and certification. And oh yeah, our management, customers and vendors feel free to contact you at home days, nights and weekends to berate you for things that you had no control over.

[Fear the Nation]

Boone County just announced that the school district is closed monday.

[LIPTON BASH]

The following is making the rounds today. Maybe it will help some understand the situation instead of just saying that teachers need to suck it up like other employees in other fields.

 

Shared from Julie Anderson:

 

You go to work for a company and enjoy all of the benefits they offer, including a 401K. You invest in that 401K and hopefully your company matches a small %. One day your company says, “we want to expand and buy out another company so we can be bigger and better, but we don’t have the funds to pay for it, so employees, we are going to borrow your retirement to pay for it. Not just what we matched, but what you put in too. You have no choice. You cannot refuse. We are taking your money.” Years later the money has not been paid back into your 401K, your company has frivolously spent money, your money, on meaningless projects, and now your company says, “Sorry. We said it was a loan, but really we never intended to pay you back, so it was really a gift from you to us. Too bad there won’t be any money there for you to live on in your retirement. We are going to continue to invest in other projects instead of paying you back. Now, live with that decision and we don’t want to hear a peep out of you that it isn’t fair, that you put that money in in good faith that it would be there for you to retire on. And oh, by the way, you know that thing called Social Security? Yeah, because you invested in our retirement plan you weren’t allowed to participate in that either, so you are SOL any way you look at it. But we have no obligation to you, we owe you nothing, you owe us for being your employer. So sit down, shut up, and continue to do your job and quit whining.” How do you feel now?

 

This example is a false equivalancy again with a 401k and defined benefit plan. A 401k is owned by individual and a DB plan is group plan. It is another reason why state employees should want a DC plan there is more control. An employer has no discretionary control over assets in a 401k plan. The employer can't touch assets once in the account, they can only stop their contributions. A 401k can't be touched by creditors.

 

Also the "promise" you speak of happens in the private sector happens in the in Deferred Compensation plans in 457b and other non-qualifed plans. Employees defer salary to a later date but if the company is not solvent they never see those funds.

[LIPTON BASH]

Ever taught? Are you married to a teacher? If not how can you say there is no comparison or how they compare?

 

Honest question here. What skill set do you believe a teacher needs?

 

I would think a teacher would need patience and the ability to relay information to large groups of people. Retain knowledge in the discipline they teach and a sense of compassion.

[75center]

This example is a false equivalancy again with a 401k and defined benefit plan. A 401k is owned by individual and a DB plan is group plan. It is another reason why state employees should want a DC plan there is more control. An employer has no discretionary control over assets in a 401k plan. The employer can't touch assets once in the account, they can only stop their contributions. A 401k can't be touched by creditors.

 

Also the "promise" you speak of happens in the private sector happens in the in Deferred Compensation plans in 457b and other non-qualifed plans. Employees defer salary to a later date but if the company is not solvent they never see those funds.

 

457 B plan does not exist for the private sector. Most non qualified plans are designed for highly compensated key executives in order to get around certain limits that the average worker is subject to.

[LIPTON BASH]

The following is making the rounds today. Maybe it will help some understand the situation instead of just saying that teachers need to suck it up like other employees in other fields.

 

Shared from Julie Anderson:

 

You go to work for a company and enjoy all of the benefits they offer, including a 401K. You invest in that 401K and hopefully your company matches a small %. One day your company says, “we want to expand and buy out another company so we can be bigger and better, but we don’t have the funds to pay for it, so employees, we are going to borrow your retirement to pay for it. Not just what we matched, but what you put in too. You have no choice. You cannot refuse. We are taking your money.” Years later the money has not been paid back into your 401K, your company has frivolously spent money, your money, on meaningless projects, and now your company says, “Sorry. We said it was a loan, but really we never intended to pay you back, so it was really a gift from you to us. Too bad there won’t be any money there for you to live on in your retirement. We are going to continue to invest in other projects instead of paying you back. Now, live with that decision and we don’t want to hear a peep out of you that it isn’t fair, that you put that money in in good faith that it would be there for you to retire on. And oh, by the way, you know that thing called Social Security? Yeah, because you invested in our retirement plan you weren’t allowed to participate in that either, so you are SOL any way you look at it. But we have no obligation to you, we owe you nothing, you owe us for being your employer. So sit down, shut up, and continue to do your job and quit whining.” How do you feel now?

 

Also pensions going broke in the private sector happens. It happened to Delta and Delphi , now where it stinks is state pensions do not have the PBGC. But no one is talking about taking away pensions accumlated. The only thing I've mentioned is changing the plan for future teachers or those with a few years of service. Which again is how it has worked in the private sector for the last 20 years.