Another Planned Parenthood executive discussing the sale of "tissue".

[LIPTON BASH]

Did you watch the video(s)? One woman joked about purchasing a Lamborghini with the income. Kinda hard to do that with reimbursements.

 

Also, when the abortionist talks about "doing a little better than break even," you can't help but think they're doing something they're not supposed to be doing. Full text of that convo:

 

 

 

2. What were they doing that was illegal? Maybe that's part of #1 .

 

Here's what federal law says about selling fetal tissue:

 

42 U.S. Code § 289g–2 - Prohibitions regarding human fetal tissue

(a) Purchase of tissue: It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly acquire, receive, or otherwise transfer any human fetal tissue for valuable consideration if the transfer affects interstate commerce.

(e)(3) The term “valuable consideration” does not include reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue.

 

Here's what California law says about selling fetal tissue

 

125320. (a) A person may not knowingly, for valuable consideration, purchase or sell embryonic or cadaveric fetal tissue for research purposes pursuant to this chapter.

(b) For purposes of this section, "valuable consideration" does

not include reasonable payment for the removal, processing, disposal, preservation, quality control, storage, transplantation, or

implantation of a part.

 

It seems to be illegal to sell across state lines and it seems to be illegal to sell beyond "reimbursement" costs give their "break even" comment.

 

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That 3% number is a farce and a way for them to dodge the fact that they perform 30% (330,000 a year) of all abortions in the country.

 

National Review had a good article:

 

Planned Parenthood's 3 Percent Abortion Statistic Misleads | National Review Online

 

 

 

They perform as many Pap tests as abortion and almost as many abortions as breast-care screenings. And only 17,000 prenatal services (so PP performs 17 times more abortions).

 

They perform abortions. They then take those babies, carefully dismember their limbs, harvest their organs, and sell them. The most recent video showed a PP employee grabbing the limbs of an aborted fetus ready for sale.

 

Anyone with a shred of humanity won't relegate these unborn babies to just a 3% stat and act like they don't matter.

 

 

 

Funds are fungible.

 

Mic dropped

[Clyde]

I'm mostly shocked so many days after this story broke Clyde of all people is pushing the edited tape narrative. It's a ridiculous position. The unedited versions are released within hours of the edited .

 

It's pretty obvious why edited versions are released. It's about consumption and the nature of the Internet. Notice noone has disputed the actual statements in the video .

 

All PP has done is attack the messenger not the message. It speaks volumes.

 

Here's just one example. The comment that seems to have people spitting fire is when the lady says "$30 to $100 depending on the facility and what's involved." In the video the very next thing said is from the actor. Problem is that comment is 8 minutes later. The video skipped 8 minutes.

 

You can't present something by editing out 8 minutes of video.

[LIPTON BASH]

Here's just one example. The comment that seems to have people spitting fire is when the lady says "$30 to $100 depending on the facility and what's involved." In the video the very next thing said is from the actor. Problem is that comment is 8 minutes later. The video skipped 8 minutes.

 

You can't present something by editing out 8 minutes of video.

 

It literally happens on every news show in this country.

[Clyde]

It literally happens on every news show in this country.

 

OK. Are you saying that skipping making it look like the convo as shown was the actual convo but , in reality, 8 minutes was skipped isn't an issue?

[kyyank]

Is there a need to fund PP anymore?

 

Plans in the Health Insurance Marketplace must cover contraceptive methods and counseling for all women, as prescribed by a health care provider.

 

Why fund $500 million to PP when Alternative Providers are available and serviceas are free under the ACA.

[Clyde]

Is there a need to fund PP anymore?

 

Plans in the Health Insurance Marketplace must cover contraceptive methods and counseling for all women, as prescribed by a health care provider.

 

Why fund $500 million to PP when Alternative Providers are available and serviceas are free under the ACA.

 

Good question. Texas defunded them but has had a lot of issues with providing women's health services. It's not easy to just say "we'll do it ourselves."

[LIPTON BASH]

OK. Are you saying that skipping making it look like the convo as shown was the actual convo but , in reality, 8 minutes was skipped isn't an issue?

 

I watched the entire unedited version and it made me more angry. Editing it didn't disqualify them.

 

It's just a silly argument to say editing the video somehow negates the substance.

[Clyde]

States that are concerned about any flippant comments about Lamborghinis or that have not looked at the full transcripts and that want to make sure that PP is doing exactly what they are legally allowed to do should do an investigation.

 

Indiana has and found PP to be following the law.

 

The best part of these videos coming out is PP being forced to show their compliance. If they are not then they will have to pay the price. It shouldn't be hard to see if they are profiting from tissues.

[Clyde]

I watched the entire unedited version and it made me more angry. Editing it didn't disqualify them.

 

It's just a silly argument to say editing the video somehow negates the substance.

 

So you saw the entire transcript and video where they said MULTIPLE times that they do not profit and you still say they are profiting? Based on what?

[LIPTON BASH]

So you saw the entire transcript and video where they said MULTIPLE times that they do not profit and you still say they are profiting? Based on what?

 

Based on my experience in business negotiations and their obvious attempts to negotiate a more profitable number.

 

Its the substance of an entire conversation not a couple throw away lines meant to cover tracks.

 

Let's not forget agreeing to changing procedure to keep entire babies intact which changing procedure with this intent is also against federal law.

 

Does PP do some good , sure. Doesn't negate the wrong and that is the basis of your argument. We can't hold them accountable because of the good they do. Which again is silly.

 

The other issue is the fact using taxpayer money for abortions is against federal law. It's time we quit accepting their little accounting trick to justify it.

[Clyde]

Based on my experience in business negotiations and their obvious attempts to negotiate a more profitable number.

 

Its the substance of an entire conversation not a couple throw away lines meant to cover tracks.

 

Let's not forget agreeing to changing procedure to keep entire babies intact which changing procedure with this intent is also against federal law.

 

Does PP do some good , sure. Doesn't negate the wrong and that is the basis of your argument. We can't hold them accountable because of the good they do. Which again is silly.

 

The other issue is the fact using taxpayer money for abortions is against federal law. It's time we quit accepting their little accounting trick to justify it.

 

The substance of the conversation was about covering costs. That was said a whole lot more than the few times people saw "profit" as what was being said.

 

But let's say there's a lone wolf or two out there who raise your suspicion. Investigate like Indiana did. Are you cool with Indiana saying PP is not breaking the law?

 

Isn't the logical next step to have each state do an investigation to see if your suspicion is shown to be true?

[Clyde]

 

Let's not forget agreeing to changing procedure to keep entire babies intact which changing procedure with this intent is also against federal law.

 

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As to the above there are two problems.

 

1. The doctor is speaking theoretically.

2. The video shown cuts off the part where she says that she would have to defer to the doctor on what's allowed.

 

The above was said RIGHT AFTER she said the part you're talking about but the video cut that out and went right to "you have my email" as if that was never said.

 

Why leave out that she will defer to the doctor?

[marvel]

So you saw the entire transcript and video where they said MULTIPLE times that they do not profit and you still say they are profiting? Based on what?

 

Why are conveniently ignoring the part where the lady referenced making a profit?

 

 

"And if they can do a little better than break even, and do so in a way that seems reasonable, they’re happy to do that....Every penny they save is a just pennies they give to another patient. To provide a service the patient wouldn’t get."

[Clyde]

Why are conveniently ignoring the part where the lady referenced making a profit?

 

 

"And if they can do a little better than break even, and do so in a way that seems reasonable, they’re happy to do that....Every penny they save is a just pennies they give to another patient. To provide a service the patient wouldn’t get."

 

Not ignoring it. It, like the comments about covering costs, should be taken as a whole unlike what the video did.

 

Let's note that right after that comment she said "really their bottom line is they want to break even"

[marvel]

1. Here is the breakdown based on number of services provided:

 

STD testing/treatment: 42%

Contraception: 34%

Women's Health Services: 11%

Cancer Screening and Prevention: 9%

Abortion Services: 3%

Other: 1%

 

2. Not sure what you're asking. Private contributions make up about 30% of PP's revenue.

 

3. Short answer: no. The vast majority of health care professionals say that preventive care leads to less unwanted pregnancies AND abortions.

 

1. What's Planned Parenthood's percent of profit for contraceptives vs. abortion?

 

2. My point exactly. They don't need government funds to run their organization.

 

3. This goes along with point #2 . If people with a conscious will give to community centers who provide these services, this problem is taken care of.

 

You claiming that without government funding, these programs will vanish is a fear-mongering talking point, playing on peoples emotions.