Imhisdad Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Wow. Coach? Dad? Mom? Someone? Anyone step up and stop that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRCW Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 His coach should be fired and not allowed to coach again. I just don't get it. What if I told you his coach was Jim Maloney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Rapp Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 What if I told you his coach was Jim Maloney.I would say that maybe it is time for Coach Maloney to retire. Wasn't Maloney's own career shortened by injuries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRCW Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I would say that maybe it is time for Coach Maloney to retire. Wasn't Maloney's own career shortened by injuries? Show me the data that shows that throwing a high amount of pitches leads to arm injuries. Do we see more arm and elbow injuries today with pitchers that are babied, or more injuries from back in the 70's when there was no such thing as a pitch count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Rapp Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Show me the data that shows that throwing a high amount of pitches leads to arm injuries. Do we see more arm and elbow injuries today with pitchers that are babied, or more injuries from back in the 70's when there was no such thing as a pitch count?There may not have been a pitch count back in the 70s, but most coaches exercised some common sense. BTW, the article does not identify Maloney as this kid's coach. Where did you get your information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Personally, I love it. Pitch counts late in the season are overrated. I have to say this post and those who like it cause me to question their judgment in future posts on baseball. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion but how can anyone think this is ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRCW Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 There may not have been a pitch count back in the 70s, but most coaches exercised some common sense. BTW, the article does not identify Maloney as this kid's coach. Where did you get your information? Coaches exercised common sense back in the 70's? We must have been watching different games. I didn't say Maloney was the coach, I simply asked you what you would say if I said he was the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Rapp Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Coaches exercised common sense back in the 70's? We must have been watching different games. I didn't say Maloney was the coach, I simply asked you what you would say if I said he was the coach.Well, Maloney is not the coach but I guess you knew that already. I said most coaches exercised some common sense. If you are going to paraphrase my words, please try to be accurate. My coaches would never have left me in for 14 innings. I saw a few coaches who had kids pitching way too many innings too. I am sure that they knew better, they just wanted to win. A good coach would not allow a kid to throw 194 pitches before yanking him from the game, whether the pitcher agreed or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRCW Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Well, Maloney is not the coach but I guess you knew that already. I said most coaches exercised some common sense. If you are going to paraphrase my words, please try to be accurate. My coaches would never have left me in for 14 innings. I saw a few coaches who had kids pitching way too many innings too. I am sure that they knew better, they just wanted to win. A good coach would not allow a kid to throw 194 pitches before yanking him from the game, whether the pitcher agreed or not. I'm not paraphrasing anything. I'm talking about ML managers and pitching coaches in the 70's. Nobody cared about pitch counts, and you certainly didn't see the arm injuries you see today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Rapp Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'm not paraphrasing anything. I'm talking about ML managers and pitching coaches in the 70's. Nobody cared about pitch counts, and you certainly didn't see the arm injuries you see today.First you implied that Jim Maloney was this kid's coach, and yes, you did paraphrase what I said about most coaches using common sense in a way that changed its meaning. Coaches did not count pitches when I played but most of them knew enough not to do what this kid's coach did. Pitch count limits were adopted to address the idiots who don't know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumper_Dad Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Today in History...May 15, 1918 In a game that takes only 2 hours and 47 minutes to play, Senators' legend Walter Johnson goes the the distance in an 18-inning contest, defeating Larry Williams, who also tosses a complete game, and the White Sox at Comiskey Park, 1-0. Eddie Ainsworth, who advances to third base on the 'Big Train's' single, scores the winning run on a wild pitch. Seems like Walter had a pretty good career...averaged 340 innings per year during a ten year stretch from the time he was 21 to 30 years old. Last year only 6 pitchers pitched as many as 220 innings and none pitched more than 242 innings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Rapp Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Today in History...May 15, 1918 Seems like Walter had a pretty good career...averaged 340 innings per year during a ten year stretch from the time he was 21 to 30 years old. Last year only 6 pitchers pitched as many as 220 innings and none pitched more than 242 innings. Major league teams invest a lot of money in starting pitchers and the trend has been to allow them to pitch fewer innings since I started following MLB in the late 60s. Part of the reason has been the increasing role of relief pitchers but I am sure that maximizing the investment in pitchers has played a role as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRCW Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 First you implied that Jim Maloney was this kid's coach, and yes, you did paraphrase what I said about most coaches using common sense in a way that changed its meaning. Coaches did not count pitches when I played but most of them knew enough not to do what this kid's coach did. Pitch count limits were adopted to address the idiots who don't know better. No, and I'll say no again, I did not paraphrase most coaches using common sense. I'll repeat it, I was talking about MLB managers and pitching coaches. None of them, not some, gave a hoot about pitch counts in the 70's. I'll ask you again. Did we see more arm injuries in the 70's, or do we see more arm injuries now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumper_Dad Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 MLB Innings Pitched Leaders 1910 Walter Johnson 370 1920 Grover Cleveland Alexander 363 1930 Ted Lyons 297 1940 Bob Feller 320 1950 Vern Bickford 311 1960 Larry Jackson 282 1970 Gaylord Perry 328 1980 Steve Carlton 304 1990 Dave Stewart 267 2000 Jon Lieber 251 2010 Roy Halladay 250 2013 Adam Wainwright 241 Just thought this was interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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