The more I think about this whole thread, the more I start to agree with Clyde. This really is a Trinity / St. X horn tooting thread. If you eliminate T and X from the discussion and compare N. Ky. 6A against the rest of the state including Louisville, I think N. Ky. 6A would hold its own rather well. T and X are exceptions and have an advantage they have helped create with their own hard work - they are the destination for football players in greater Louisville, a population base of 750,000 plus.

 

That being said, N. Ky. 6A has underachieved. They need a great coach to get in one of the schools and create a higher standard that all the other 6A teams will have to pursue to keep up.

In order to not offend, I'll bow out. I've probably been pretty clear on this one.

RockPride, even as a Trinity supporter, and understanding what you're saying, I'll agree this seems like a chest-thumping thread. Why bring this up when it's been debated ad nausem for years? We (you and I) know that we believe that it's more than simply numbers. But to be fair, we've been "in the program".I agree there's more than numbers, but I really disagree that we should be starting the conversations. It's like asking a peer to do your evaluation. Personally, I'm of the opinion that Trinity's success speaks for itself, and those interested will take the time to examine the process for themselves. At this point, I quote FDR: we just need to "Walk softly and carry a big stick."

 

By the way, from the converstaion I heard happening behind me at the Trinity/MBA program, there are some within the Trinity program that aren't exactly in agreement with what you and I believe. It was a really disturbing conversation to overhear.

Scribe hit on the head with. I've been screaming this for ever. Look at it state by state. Your best teams are normally from the biggest areas population wise. The talent pools are much much larger. Henderson has 1000 boys but that 1000 boys comes from a pool of 1000 boys. T has 1400 boys that come from a pool of at least 8000 boys. See the difference.

People from large schools always seem to discount numbers as an advantage. Take the 11 best football players from Louisville and play them against the 11 best football players from Fulton County and tell me how that turns out

I would have to believe that tradition and school support of a sport, or sports, has as much to do with it as any other factor. You would have a very difficult time convincing me that all of Trinity's top football players are there because of a Catholic Education. Highlands, another great scholastic school. I never hear out of district people talking about sending their sons there to get a top notch education. I hear them saying we are going there to play football. Beechwood the same thing. Throw NCC and CCH in the mix as well. I sat at the Campbell County, NCC game Friday night. There was a couple there that had a child at NCC and another child at Campbell County. Both boys, both do not play football. Talked to a friend of mine Wednesday at the Alexandria Fair Parade. She just sold her house in Alexandria, looking to buy in Ft. Thomas, as her son is already going to Highlands. Education was never mentioned in our conversation.Figure it out. If you live " in the county" as it is referred to here, and your goal is to get your child a good Catholic education. Why do you drive past Brossart, all the way to NCC or CCH. My point being, A winning tradition draws talent, talent in turn keeps the tradition alive. That along with administrators who want and enjoy that tradition, as well further enhance it by building a program that will support the tradition. Top talent as well as top coaching are drawn to well supported programs with winning tradition.

You would be extremely wrong in your assumption. Many, many kids come to HHS from out of district and pay tuition for academic purposes. There are in fact many more kids that pay tuition or move into the district for much more than athletics, or football specifically. If you want your kid to get a top notch education and you don't want to send your kid to a faith based school, then HHS is an obvious choice in NKY. I just talked to a family last night that moved to the Fort from the west side of Cincy that very reason. Let's be honest, winning breeds winning in both the academic and athletic pursuits that many families seek out for their children. It's more about not settling and sacrifice when it comes to your children.

RM there is no clear answer with this. Many have pointed to the primary reasons for this as NKY is spread to thin. That being said, take to point that T/X can get the best of the best from the entire county, You throw in great tradition, education and coaching and kind of frrds itself. NKy schools may get a kid or two from different areas, but not to the extent that T/X do year in and year out. With this thought, you cannot do this in NKy. You have 3 counties, and one third or less the population as a whole. If Boone could get the best of the best in NKy as a whole, they may compete with you and X, but they can't.

Additionally, although Highlands is the team they are is because of education, coaching and talent, their numbers are tiny to pull from vs. Louisville.

Another factor that can be mentioned are the feeder programs or junior leagues. My guess is that T/X have a long standing feeder program and great support. NKY again has multiple programs and they feed many different schools. This again, dilutes the strenghth of NKy. This is changing as many schools have developed their own programs to build for their own future. CCH is a good example, their numbers have grown yearly in their own junior program running their system and they are starting to reep the rewards. Formerly, they got kids from 4 or 5 differently run programs. Ft. Thomas has had this for 50 plus years.

 

But in a nutshell, the size of the pool that T/X get to generate their support cannot be matched currently in NKy and for this matter, the way it is set up.

WOW, starting to post like LN.:thumb:

Not to mention Louisville 6A just works harder...

I think they mean Cov Cath High School

 

Ohhh okay. Gotcha.:thumb:

You would be extremely wrong in your assumption. Many, many kids come to HHS from out of district and pay tuition for academic purposes. There are in fact many more kids that pay tuition or move into the district for much more than athletics, or football specifically. If you want your kid to get a top notch education and you don't want to send your kid to a faith based school, then HHS is an obvious choice in NKY. I just talked to a family last night that moved to the Fort from the west side of Cincy that very reason. Let's be honest, winning breeds winning in both the academic and athletic pursuits that many families seek out for their children. It's more about not settling and sacrifice when it comes to your children.

I agree. I find it hard to believe that ANY parent in their right mind would have said they sent their child to Highlands, simply to play football. If they did, they are a very poor parent, indeed! Now, football is an aspect of the opportunities at Highlands, but neither is it the only one or the most important one for a child's education.

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We (you and I) know that we believe that it's more than simply numbers. But to be fair, we've been "in the program". I agree there's more than numbers, but I really disagree that we should be starting the conversations. It's like asking a peer to do your evaluation. Personally, I'm of the opinion that Trinity's success speaks for itself, and those interested will take the time to examine the process for themselves. At this point, I quote FDR: we just need to "Walk softly and carry a big stick."

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Fact of the matter is that at schools like St. X or Trinity, numbers do play a role. If i'm a student at Trinity and I play Left Tackle, I play that position from the time I am a freshman until the time I am a senior. In NKY, we don't have the depth that teams like ST. X and Trinity have. You can be playing Left tackle one week and then right guard the next week. Fact of the matter is that when you have a larger male population to pull from, you get the necessary depth to be competitive.

 

This is a serious question, but how many kids play both ways for Trinity?

RockPride, even as a Trinity supporter, and understanding what you're saying, I'll agree this seems like a chest-thumping thread. Why bring this up when it's been debated ad nausem for years? We (you and I) know that we believe that it's more than simply numbers. But to be fair, we've been "in the program".I agree there's more than numbers, but I really disagree that we should be starting the conversations. It's like asking a peer to do your evaluation. Personally, I'm of the opinion that Trinity's success speaks for itself, and those interested will take the time to examine the process for themselves. At this point, I quote FDR: we just need to "Walk softly and carry a big stick."

 

By the way, from the converstaion I heard happening behind me at the Trinity/MBA program, there are some within the Trinity program that aren't exactly in agreement with what you and I believe. It was a really disturbing conversation to overhear.

Is it numbers and only numbers? No. But it's 80% numbers and that is probably being generous.

The kids that go to Ryle live within approx 5 miles of the school. There are also a few kids within the Ryle district that attend other schools, example Co. Cath. If Trinity had to follow the same guidelines as a public school in Boone Co maybe you would understand. Good for Trinity for being a great high school program but when you can go get kids from anywhere it helps develop that.

I agree. I find it hard to believe that ANY parent in their right mind would have said they sent their child to Highlands, simply to play football. If they did, they area very poor parent, indeed! Now, football is an aspect of the opportunities at Highlands, but neither is it the only one or the most important one for a child's education.

 

The number of AP award winners backs up your assertion.

You would be extremely wrong in your assumption. Many, many kids come to HHS from out of district and pay tuition for academic purposes. There are in fact many more kids that pay tuition or move into the district for much more than athletics, or football specifically. If you want your kid to get a top notch education and you don't want to send your kid to a faith based school, then HHS is an obvious choice in NKY. I just talked to a family last night that moved to the Fort from the west side of Cincy that very reason. Let's be honest, winning breeds winning in both the academic and athletic pursuits that many families seek out for their children. It's more about not settling and sacrifice when it comes to your children.

No, you are very wrong in your twist on my statements. I said, I, me. I have never heard one person talk about sending their son, not daughter, but son, to Highlands for an education. I did not say it doesn't happen. I did give kudos to Highlands for being a great school. For you to try and make it sound like Highlands doesn't get boys attending there for the soul purpose of playing football is kinda funny. It's not just Highlands, any top sports program will draw top athletes for sports. If they get a better education in the process that's just icing on the cake. I as well believe Beechwood would have a little something to say about Highlands being the obvious choice for a top notch non faith based education in NKY. And your comment about not settling and sacrifice, is a little degrading in my opinion. There are many families that cannot sacrifice enough to pay for tuition and transportation for their children to attend a school other than a public school. And not settling, my children all received good educations from public school. It is what you make of it, there are advanced and AP programs and classes available in public schools if you choose to guide your children into them as I feel you should. There are most of the time underlying reasons for the situation you spoke of, coming from Cincinnati to Ft. Thomas to receive a better education. Just as I know families from NKY that have sent their children to St. X in Cincinnati because of a better education. Like it of not, there are families that choose a school for their child or children, because of a sports program at that particular school . If they follow the KHSAA rules, more power to them.