No, parents do not send their children to a school just to play football -- at least, not the sane ones. It just doesn't happen. A good education is not, God forbid, the "icing on the cake." Football should fill that role for any student. In the Ft. Thomas schools, we're blessed with the fact that sports (specifically, football) and academics are a package deal. So you can never say a parent chose the school for sports only.

 

You may find making sacrifices and not settling to be degrading to you, but it's simply telling the truth. It takes community commitment and personal sacrifice to produce a top-notch educational system. You mention Beechwood: yes, they do it right also. Your children may have, in fact, received a quality education elsewhere; however, that is not the point. Kids who come to the Ft. Thomas schools, do so for the total package, not just one element.

Ditto. I should have just read your reply before i shot my big fat fingers off.........lol!

Scribe, 6A try harder? I was told that to beat the Rocks/X the Publics need to try harder.

 

In reading all of these comments, I felt like I was in a waste of time, why did I push that mouse on this thread? :idunno:

 

Is there a "Yawn" cartoon?

Like I said before, people in large cities or from large schools always discount the numbers argument. Go to Gallatin County and find their 11 best football players and let me take the 11 best from Louisville. You like your odds in a head to head game?

Again, this argument is beating a dead horse. I know the thread was started by a Trinity guy, so the fault is ours for flogging a deceased equine yet again.

 

Numbers matter. There's no denying that, and I think it's unfair to say that everyone from a large/city school denies that. But I think it's equally shortsighted to discount many other factors such as coaching, tradition and support.

Still not sure where the arrogance to start this thread was derived from. I can only hope that all T fans don't share this pompous attitude.

Still not sure where the arrogance to start this thread was derived from. I can only hope that all T fans don't share this pompous attitude.

 

:thumb:

First, I didn't say HHS was the ONLY choice for a top notch education, but rather an obvious one. Beechwood, along with a few other public schools in NKY are great academically and in athletics, but does not offer many of the programs and classes that a larger school offers. Also, Beechwood does not offer near as many sports for girls. My point being, that many more parents pay the tuition to go to HHS for academics rather then for athletics. You just don't hear about the kids that don't play sports at HHS like you do football team members. By sacrifice i meant that people often sell nice, newer homes to move to an older, smaller home and voluntarily pay higher taxes for the "privelage" to do so. I have two close friends who just did it last month before school started to be able to send their kids to Ft. Thomas schools. Happens all the time. People move, or pay tuition all the time for their kids educations. I bet if you really asked your friend why they are sending their kid to HHS they would probably tell you for the all around experience HHS offers their son. IF they don't, well, they are not sound parents in my eyes.

I was going to just let this drop and I will after this. I did not say that there are no out of district students going to HHS, or any other school, for a possible better education. I'm know there are many. I am saying there are student football athletes that attend schools, such as HHS, Trinity, St. X, Beechwood, and the list goes on and on, to play football. Do you really think that every top football player that transferred to one of these schools did it for academics. I guess when all the basketball players were transferring to Scott County a few years back, all were doing so to get the top of the line education that Scott County was offering. All I am saying is it happens, parents move their children because of sports. There are discussions on BGP's quite often about students transferring, and waiting to see if they will be declared eligible to play sports by the KHSAA. I don't recall any of those transfers, that would put a transferring student athlete on a lesser talented sports team. All of those transfers are for academics, come on. We know it happens. I as well am not saying that the number of students transferring for sports reasons is even close to the numbers that may be transferring for academics. Maybe they aren't great parents. That's not my call. I am as well, not knocking yours, or any of these schools. To touch on your remark of sacrifice. Tell me where a family that lives in a very, very modest rental home, with 3 or 4 children. Living at Poverty level or just above it, can sacrifice enough to get their children in these schools. If they were given free tuition they could not afford to transport their children everyday back and forth. They can't afford the rental prices close to some of these schools. Even if those numbers are small, there are people out there in situations such as these. Even if it's just one family, it is degrading to them.

Tell me where a family that lives in a very, very modest rental home, with 3 or 4 children. Living at Poverty level or just above it, can sacrifice enough to get their children in these schools. If they were given free tuition they could not afford to transport their children everyday back and forth. They can't afford the rental prices close to some of these schools. Even if those numbers are small, there are people out there in situations such as these. Even if it's just one family, it is degrading to them.

Speaking only for Ft. Thomas, there are quite a few. Look up and down this street alone and you will see many struggling families -- some of them in Section 8 housing.

First, I didn't say HHS was the ONLY choice for a top notch education, but rather an obvious one. Beechwood, along with a few other public schools in NKY are great academically and in athletics, but does not offer many of the programs and classes that a larger school offers. Also, Beechwood does not offer near as many sports for girls. My point being, that many more parents pay the tuition to go to HHS for academics rather then for athletics. You just don't hear about the kids that don't play sports at HHS like you do football team members. By sacrifice i meant that people often sell nice, newer homes to move to an older, smaller home and voluntarily pay higher taxes for the "privelage" to do so. I have two close friends who just did it last month before school started to be able to send their kids to Ft. Thomas schools. Happens all the time. People move, or pay tuition all the time for their kids educations. I bet if you really asked your friend why they are sending their kid to HHS they would probably tell you for the all around experience HHS offers their son. IF they don't, well, they are not sound parents in my eyes.

 

What sports does Beechwood not offer girls? There is tennis, soccer, softball, basketball, and track and field that I know of. What are they missing cricket91?

Yes back in 2008, SK played Male in the semi finals while X and T were playing the same week in the semi's. I guess Male thought they had the game in the bag, I dunno. SK drove to Louisville to play Male @ Male, won, and then everyone was kind of in disbelief/confused when the announcers said congrat's to the Simon Kenton Pioneers the 2008 6A public school state champions, and then proceeded to give them a trophy on the field.

 

Embarrassing! Did they give Male a runner up trophy too?

Well, for one thing, none of the Boone County Schools had a feeder program until two years ago, and two still do not have one. The talent pool in Boone County is now split among 4 schools and only Ryle has a turf field. Boone County is a closed enrollment district, which means they do not accept outside students. District boundaries in Boone County are also very favorable to Ryle.

 

The Kenton County Schools have feeder programs, but many of their kids end up at CCHS, Beachwood and Highlands. They have responded by upgrading their facilities and this should help somewhat. Kenton County is an open enrollment district though, meaning all schools are available to county residents.

 

You do have some kids moving into Ryle's district (Nathan Davis from Grant County) and they are very aggressive with their feeder program, which is more like an AAU program and is not associated with or accountable to any middle school. They will exclude you if you do not commit to playing at Ryle. Regular Middle School programs cannot do this. They are also the beneficiary of private funding that is not available in other Boone Schools.

 

Long term, I would expect them to be very competitive, even dominant. The key though is depth. When you lose a Travis Elliot , or a Miles Simpson or a Zeke Pike and have someone on the bench that can take over and be almost as productive as a replacement, then you have arrived as a perennial power. Lets us see how they adapt without Elliot.

Embarrassing! Did they give Male a runner up trophy too?

 

I agree. Did the trophy say state semi-finals champions(the KHSAA trophy) or did it actually say "public school champions"? If it was the latter I find it hilarious.

Still not sure where the arrogance to start this thread was derived from. I can only hope that all T fans don't share this pompous attitude.

Well, in the T games I have been to over the past six years they DO :thumb: And in a post from last I said the the difference between X and T. The players, coaches, and fans from X have class. In fact most T game I have gone to I have left feeling embarassed to be Catholic.

Well, in the T games I have been to over the past six years they DO :thumb: And in a post from last I said the the difference between X and T. The players, coaches, and fans from X have class. In fact most T game I have gone to I have left feeling embarassed to be Catholic.

 

Ouch.

Well, for one thing, none of the Boone County Schools had a feeder program until two years ago, and two still do not have one. The talent pool in Boone County is now split among 4 schools and only Ryle has a turf field. Boone County is a closed enrollment district, which means they do not accept outside students. District boundaries in Boone County are also very favorable to Ryle.

 

The Kenton County Schools have feeder programs, but many of their kids end up at CCHS, Beachwood and Highlands. They have responded by upgrading their facilities and this should help somewhat. Kenton County is an open enrollment district though, meaning all schools are available to county residents.

 

You do have some kids moving into Ryle's district (Nathan Davis from Grant County) and they are very aggressive with their feeder program, which is more like an AAU program and is not associated with or accountable to any middle school. They will exclude you if you do not commit to playing at Ryle. Regular Middle School programs cannot do this. They are also the beneficiary of private funding that is not available in other Boone Schools.

 

Long term, I would expect them to be very competitive, even dominant. The key though is depth. When you lose a Travis Elliot , or a Miles Simpson or a Zeke Pike and have someone on the bench that can take over and be almost as productive as a replacement, then you have arrived as a perennial power. Lets us see how they adapt without Elliot.

 

Doesn't matter, when Ryle opened Boone took a big hit, now that Cooper is open all of the schools take more of a hit. When you split the pie more ways you don't get as big of a slice. Talent is there if they built a 6A catholic school it could be a super power like Trinity, where all the talent could combine.