2 hours ago, Breds82 said:

I'm glad this was sent out but it's been an issue for a while. After every single play there is chirping between the players. It could be an incomplete pass or a 1 yard gain and there will be two players just jawing at each other. It's constant, it's embarrassing, and the Head Coaches that allow their coaching staff to act like fools shouldn't be in that role. The players get away with what they are allowed to, and to many feel like "they're being disrespected". If they give up a big play they feel the need to run their mouth to protect their pride so to speak. It will take serious repercussions unfortunatly to open alot of eyes.

Trash talk culture now. Used to be made a play and got back in the huddle. Need to start throwing unsportsmanlike flags until gets under control. 15 yard penalty every time will modify some behavior.

17 minutes ago, Tigerpride94 said:

Trash talk culture now. Used to be made a play and got back in the huddle. Need to start throwing unsportsmanlike flags until gets under control. 15 yard penalty every time will modify some behavior.

The key word is "some" unfortunately.

7 hours ago, rjs4470 said:

While I agree coaches bear responsibility for this, remember that it takes a village. This is also a failure on teachers, administrators, parents and any other adult involved in educating and raising children. It’s NOT just up to a coach who has a kid under his watch for two hours a day from mid July for 4 months out of the year. If it were just football coaches (or the coach of any sports) responsible for teaching those “soft skills” to make kids employable, there would be millions of kids (the ones who never set foot on a field) who wouldn’t have a chance in life. 

Painting with broad strokes there my friend.  Parents and family are still the number one factor in child’s behavior.  You can’t blame a teacher for how a kid acts on the football field where they can’t control their behavior or hold them accountable. That’s directly on the coach and parents. 

We have been practicing brawls and ejection prevention for a long time.

We simulate an opponent contacting our player and describe the type of verbal exchange our guys may encounter. We have two objectives:

1- protect our teammate.

2- no one gets a penalty or is ejected.

 

https://blackshoesandwhiteshoestrings.blogspot.com/2017/06/no-brawls-or-ejections-practicing.html

4 minutes ago, ChiefSmoke said:

We have been practicing brawls and ejection prevention for a long time.

We simulate an opponent contacting our player and describe the type of verbal exchange our guys may encounter. We have two objectives:

1- protect our teammate.

2- no one gets a penalty or is ejected.

 

https://blackshoesandwhiteshoestrings.blogspot.com/2017/06/no-brawls-or-ejections-practicing.html

I think what else would improve this tactic is to have the best of the best on either side of the ball that’s on the field “Captain” take charge of this strategy. If the other 10 see the  Captain taking charge of this strategy without blinking you will have the whole team following that lead.  You pick the “wrong” Captain this will most likely fail.

Posted by Football of Kentucky DBA on Facebook:

This is how Rowan County and Bourbon County turned out. 

Player got his helmet taken off and another player hit him in the head with it. 

Fighting on the field, fighting in the stands. Cops called. Ridiculous.

Also posted in the comments: 

Someone just sent this to our inbox regarding the matter : ⬇️

“Rowan co was getting beat bad jv, and started to get mad players ran on the field from their sideline and attacked a Boco player.

The player shown bleeding ran 40 yards to fight a player jumped in his face by throwing a punch.

The helmet came off and got hit Rowan coach put hands on bourbon player racist slurs being used vs fans n the stands” 

9 hours ago, 1stand3rdNoOuts said:

This is pathetic. High school sports used to be about training kids to be mentally tough. Those days are long since gone. Coaches failing to do their most important job: teaching and enforcing "soft" skills that will allow these young people to become employable. 

While the coaches have a job to do, and some fail at it, let’s not act like there weren’t fights in scrimmages and games in the past. We all like to put on rose-colored glasses when thinking about the past but the same stuff has always happened. There is a “boys will be boys” situation here, but the staff must train their kids on how to handle these situations, much like @ChiefSmoke posted. 

Just now, gchs_uk9 said:

While the coaches have a job to do, and some fail at it, let’s not act like there weren’t fights in scrimmages and games in the past. We all like to put on rose-colored glasses when thinking about the past but the same stuff has always happened. There is a “boys will be boys” situation here, but the staff must train their kids on how to handle these situations, much like @ChiefSmoke posted. 

Most of my stuff comes from.... "We screwed up... how do we fix it?"

32 minutes ago, gchs_uk9 said:

While the coaches have a job to do, and some fail at it, let’s not act like there weren’t fights in scrimmages and games in the past. We all like to put on rose-colored glasses when thinking about the past but the same stuff has always happened. There is a “boys will be boys” situation here, but the staff must train their kids on how to handle these situations, much like @ChiefSmoke posted. 

Of course, you are correct, fights did happen before, but we have to acknowledge those fights back in history were much different from the things that happen now. To paraphrase a famous quote, I can’t define it but I know it when I see it.  More than anything, the atmosphere around an altercation at a public event has changed dramatically. 
 

Yes, the responsibility for prevention and punishment for fighting is spread around a bit, but parents and coaches have to find a way.  
 

I’m not one to make excuses for bad behavior, but we have to also look to college sports and professional sports because all things from those levels trickle down to the high school arena and unfortunately, the upper levels are not setting a good example for sportsmanship and best human behavior. 

None of this will be cleaned up so long as the top levels of the sport (NFL/Power 4 NCAA) continue to allow it. Kids emulate their idols. 

None of this will be cleaned up either so long as a significant contingent of parents continue to advocate for their children in a role of friend/agent, rather than acting as their parents. 

There are a few bad apple coaches as there are a few bad apples in all professions. But largely, HS coaches are doing all they can to lead young men and women down a positive path.

In general, a coach’s guidance cannot supersede a parent’s. A coach’s guidance struggles to supersede the influence of the prominent and glorified highest-level examples. 

And the worst of it all… strife and conflict sell much better than character and sportsmanship. 

2 hours ago, brooksville said:

Posted by Football of Kentucky DBA on Facebook:

This is how Rowan County and Bourbon County turned out. 

Player got his helmet taken off and another player hit him in the head with it. 

Fighting on the field, fighting in the stands. Cops called. Ridiculous.

Also posted in the comments: 

Someone just sent this to our inbox regarding the matter : ⬇️

“Rowan co was getting beat bad jv, and started to get mad players ran on the field from their sideline and attacked a Boco player.

The player shown bleeding ran 40 yards to fight a player jumped in his face by throwing a punch.

The helmet came off and got hit Rowan coach put hands on bourbon player racist slurs being used vs fans n the stands” 

I am going to throw in a comment that may seem ridiculous. Look at the player's pants. Completely out of compliance with the rules. We all joke about the knee pad rule but think about this. If everyone including coaches enforced the knee pad rule, that is discipline. That creates a headset for the team and the player. That is being focused on playing by the rules, even when you may not agree with it. Discipline is an ongoing daily behavior. Make these players follow the rules, even one that seems as silly as the knee pad rule and you will have more discipline in the game. Obviously enforcing the knee pad rule is not going to stop fights, but every bit of discipline you put in helps.

The KHSAA wouldn't have standing here but I think the mass email needs to go out to every elementary school Superintendent and Principal in Kentucky.  What is your school's policy when a child displays aggressive behavior?  When they use profanity?  When they refuse to follow the direction of a teacher?  When there is an actual threat or fight?  And on and on...  Do you "cover it up" or do you "get them in the system" where the child can receive help, guidance, discipline, etc.?  Is your policy progressive meaning the more times a child makes a mistake, the tougher the consequences are for that child?  At what point does the parent face consequences? What point do you get them into the court system?  I know, some of you are rolling your eyes now.  Well, roll them on the result, out of control teenagers and now the adults don't know what to do beyond sternly worded emails and blaming the culture that our society has tacitly approved of for decades. 

Honestly everyone, I think we have an adult problem.  The adults (schools in this case) fail children again and again by not disciplining them from an early age and eventually it leads to violent behavior.  Once a child gets to middle school, it is too late.  And doing something about it in high school, lol lol lol lol lol...

9 minutes ago, theguru said:

The KHSAA wouldn't have standing here but I think the mass email needs to go out to every elementary school Superintendent and Principal in Kentucky.  What is your school's policy when a child displays aggressive behavior?  When they use profanity?  When they refuse to follow the direction of a teacher?  When there is an actual threat or fight?  And on and on...  Do you "cover it up" or do you "get them in the system" where the child can receive help, guidance, discipline, etc.?  Is your policy progressive meaning the more times a child makes a mistake, the tougher the consequences are for that child?  At what point does the parent face consequences? What point do you get them into the court system?  I know, some of you are rolling your eyes now.  Well, roll them on the result, out of control teenagers and now the adults don't know what to do beyond sternly worded emails and blaming the culture that our society has tacitly approved of for decades. 

Honestly everyone, I think we have an adult problem.  The adults (schools in this case) fail children again and again by not disciplining them from an early age and eventually it leads to violent behavior.  Once a child gets to middle school, it is too late.  And doing something about it in high school, lol lol lol lol lol...

Preach it brother. I’ve said it for a long time; the football field, basketball court, baseball field, etc; is an extension of the classroom and, in fact, is a different kind of classroom. Just as much education takes place on the field as it does in the math classroom. We; the coaches, teachers, parents and fans; all have an obligation to teach on the field, just as the teachers have in the math classroom. 
 

Those in college sports and profession sports have the same obligation, no matter if they want that responsibility or not. 

4 hours ago, brooksville said:

Painting with broad strokes there my friend.  Parents and family are still the number one factor in child’s behavior.  You can’t blame a teacher for how a kid acts on the football field where they can’t control their behavior or hold them accountable. That’s directly on the coach and parents. 

Agreed. Parents (or whoever is the primary caregiver) are the number 1 influence. And even then, good parents can end up having bad kids. But every adult who has interactions with that child, plays a role and should model and reinforce those appropriate behaviors and help develp those "soft skills" mentioned in the post I quoted . And I did specifcally mentioned parents in my list, and it's why I said it takes a village. My post was in response to one that singled out coaches as being the primary influencers, and that sports teach all the skills that children need in life. While I agree that sports can be a big influence (and they absolutely were for me personally), I believe there are other, bigger influences (ie parents, family, teachers etc) than a coach (or coaches) who only get a couple hours a day, a few months out of the year with kids. I think too often we place sports on a much higher pedastel than they really are. There are many, many more kids out there who aren't athletic and never pick up a ball, make a tackle, a sink a shot that still turn out just fine. If sports were the main indicator for future success, then there are a ton of kids who aren't athletic or aren't interested enough in sports who would never have a chance in life because they choose not to play. 

I also wonder that if KHSAA would allow football activities & 7v7 in June as well as July that kids would get out of travel 7v7 teams & AAU basketball which in turn creates issues imo. 
 

Still seemed kind of weird on the email. Basketball has had numerous issues as well the last few years but it always seems football is under attack in the state. Weird honestly.