Just now, New Colonel said:

There are legal statutes for how to suspend and expel.  A lot of them.  Even more if a child has an IEP.  Schools must follow these.  And a child must get an education in the district that they reside, that's federal law.  Schools cannot permanently prevent that from happening.   That's legal, not a school imposed issue.

I would love to see those statues posted. 

To save us time I did a search and this is on point:

Category: In-School Discipline
Subcategory: Teacher Authority to Remove Students From Classrooms
State: Kentucky

Kentucky
LAWS
KRS 158.150. Suspension or expulsion of students - Placement into alternative program option.

(5)(a) School administrators, teachers, or other school personnel may immediately remove or cause to be removed threatening or violent students from a classroom setting or from the district transportation system pending any further disciplinary action that may occur. Each board of education shall adopt a policy to assure the implementation of this section and to assure the safety of the students and staff.

(b) Except as described in subsection (10) of this section:

1. A principal may establish procedures for a student’s removal from and reentry to the classroom when the student’s behavior disrupts the classroom environment and education process or the student challenges the authority of a supervising adult. In addition to removal, the student shall be subject to further discipline for the behavior consistent with the school’s code of conduct.

2. A student who is removed from the same classroom three (3) times within a thirty (30) day period shall be considered chronically disruptive and may be suspended from school in accordance with the section, and no other basis for suspension shall be deemed necessary.

3. At any time during the school year, for a student who has been removed from the classroom under this paragraph, a principal may require a review of the classroom issues with the teacher and the parent, guardian, or other person having legal custody or control of the student and determine a course of action for the teacher and student regarding the student’s continued placement in the classroom.

4, At any time during the school year, a principal may permanently remove a student from a classroom for the remainder of the school year if the principal determines the student’s continued placement in the classroom with chronically disrupt the education process for other students.

5. When a student is removed from a classroom under this paragraph temporarily or permanently, the principal shall determine the placement of the student in lieu of that classroom, which may include but is not limited to:

a. Another classroom in that school;

b. An alternative program or setting, which may be provided virtually, as approved by the superintendent

6. Any permanent action by a principal under this paragraph shall be subject to an appeal process in accordance with a policy adopted by the board.

7. Policies compliant with this paragraph shall be included in the code of behavior and discipline adopted by the board of education under KRS 158.148 and the policies adopted by the school council under KRS 160.345.

10 hours ago, ChiefSmoke said:

Most of my stuff comes from.... "We screwed up... how do we fix it?"

Could be labeled as “Accountability”. 
 

Good job coach.

11 hours ago, brooksville said:

Posted by Football of Kentucky DBA on Facebook:

This is how Rowan County and Bourbon County turned out. 

Player got his helmet taken off and another player hit him in the head with it. 

Fighting on the field, fighting in the stands. Cops called. Ridiculous.

Also posted in the comments: 

Someone just sent this to our inbox regarding the matter : ⬇️

“Rowan co was getting beat bad jv, and started to get mad players ran on the field from their sideline and attacked a Boco player.

The player shown bleeding ran 40 yards to fight a player jumped in his face by throwing a punch.

The helmet came off and got hit Rowan coach put hands on bourbon player racist slurs being used vs fans n the stands” 

How would any of us that are parents handle this? I would feel compassion for my son but also there has to be a punishment at home. I’m old enough now to know  not to blink unless my coach gave us permission. 

8 hours ago, theguru said:

The KHSAA wouldn't have standing here but I think the mass email needs to go out to every elementary school Superintendent and Principal in Kentucky.  What is your school's policy when a child displays aggressive behavior?  When they use profanity?  When they refuse to follow the direction of a teacher?  When there is an actual threat or fight?  And on and on...  Do you "cover it up" or do you "get them in the system" where the child can receive help, guidance, discipline, etc.?  Is your policy progressive meaning the more times a child makes a mistake, the tougher the consequences are for that child?  At what point does the parent face consequences? What point do you get them into the court system?  I know, some of you are rolling your eyes now.  Well, roll them on the result, out of control teenagers and now the adults don't know what to do beyond sternly worded emails and blaming the culture that our society has tacitly approved of for decades. 

Honestly everyone, I think we have an adult problem.  The adults (schools in this case) fail children again and again by not disciplining them from an early age and eventually it leads to violent behavior.  Once a child gets to middle school, it is too late.  And doing something about it in high school, lol lol lol lol lol...

You can obviously assume what the language is on the field, but what about a “problem” player that happens  to be a stud? It happens everywhere all over the country. If the player is good enough he’s going to play, 99% of the time.

8 minutes ago, Breds82 said:

How would any of us that are parents handle this? I would feel compassion for my son but also there has to be a punishment at home. I’m old enough now to know  not to blink unless my coach gave us permission. 

Didn't Bourbon just get a new coach?

4 minutes ago, Breds82 said:

You can obviously assume what the language is on the field, but what about a “problem” player that happens  to be a stud? It happens everywhere all over the country. If the player is good enough he’s going to play, 99% of the time.

You are describing an integrity issue. 

12 minutes ago, Honey Badger said:

Didn't Bourbon just get a new coach?

Correct. I would run head first through a brick wall for my coach even though I knew what the result would be, but he had that amount of respect built up. I’m  not sure the younger generation feels the same as us older guys.

I would love to hear what some of you with experience have to say about discipline at your school, good or bad?

From a quick read of some of the law, if a school that wants there to be discipline in their school, the school will have discipline.  In other cases I wonder if schools play the "appeasement game" with problematic students and their parents, which is exacerbated by poorly thought out discipline policies.

Either way, a quick review of the law seems like the law gives individual schools the authority to discipline as they see fit.  The question is are schools willing to be disciplinarians?

Anyone?

13 minutes ago, theguru said:

I would love to hear what some of you with experience have to say about discipline at your school, good or bad?

From a quick read of some of the law, if a school that wants there to be discipline in their school, the school will have discipline.  In other cases I wonder if schools play the "appeasement game" with problematic students and their parents, which is exacerbated by poorly thought out discipline policies.

Either way, a quick review of the law seems like the law gives individual schools the authority to discipline as they see fit.  The question is are schools willing to be disciplinarians?

Anyone?

Hate to say it but I know of plenty of situations where star high school players had some serious things swept under the rug by schools and police. Across multiple districts/schools/counties. Alot of instances where things were handled accordingly though also.

1 minute ago, Honey Badger said:

Hate to say it but I know of plenty of situations where star high school players had some serious things swept under the rug by schools and police. Across multiple districts/schools/counties. Alot of instances where things were handled accordingly though also.

In the case of a police officer, he or she should be terminated. 

I have a thread started about the Bracken/Bourbon/Rowan.  The Bourbon County football coach made a Facebook post about what happened.  

https://bluegrasspreps.com/forums/topic/253071-bracken-county-vs-bourbon-county-vs-rowan-county-scrimmage/

On 8/9/2025 at 7:40 PM, Purple88 said:

I know there was a fight at the South Warren vs Allen County Scottsville scrimmage and the scrimmage ended after the fight. Not sure about others.

Honestly, it was decently tame.  It was a fight, but they were also 2.5 hours in and had what I would deem to have been a far more serious event at their scrimmage the year before. This one was during their JV time.  You could see it building a bit through the last hour.

I was actually surprised the two teams elected to scrimmage again this year after last year.

1 hour ago, theguru said:

I would love to hear what some of you with experience have to say about discipline at your school, good or bad?

From a quick read of some of the law, if a school that wants there to be discipline in their school, the school will have discipline.  In other cases I wonder if schools play the "appeasement game" with problematic students and their parents, which is exacerbated by poorly thought out discipline policies.

Either way, a quick review of the law seems like the law gives individual schools the authority to discipline as they see fit.  The question is are schools willing to be disciplinarians?

Anyone?

Normal student it’s not difficult. Kid with an IEP or OHI it becomes much more difficult. Just like a lot of other laws you have to cross reference between different state and federal laws. If you have an IEP there are limits for the amount of days you can be suspended (10). If you want to move a kid from general population to alternative or to home bound and they have an IEP you have to have a change of placement hearing and a manifestation hearing. 
 

The manifestation hearing is about if the student’s diagnosis relates to the behavior and is thus a manifestation of the disability. Between doctors handing out diagnoses and some of the crazy crap kids can be diagnosed with it can get really complicated. The school can get their hands tied. If a kid has ODD or EBD on that IEP good luck. 
 

To add to that the state hits you with some crazy stuff. I know a school that population is 90% or so white/nonhispanic. They had to create a plan because the number of suspensions of white/nonhispanic was considered high compared to students of color. Well of course you suspend more when 90% of population is one race. Same school got hit by the state because of the percentage of the African American population was suspended. Meaning if the school had 4 African American students and you suspended 2 of them the state views that as you suspended half of that population. They pick a choose when they use percentages and when they use actual numbers. The first example used numbers and the second used percentages. 
 

All of this doesn’t even start to get into parents fighting the school system. 

8 hours ago, brooksville said:

I have a thread started about the Bracken/Bourbon/Rowan.  The Bourbon County football coach made a Facebook post about what happened.  

https://bluegrasspreps.com/forums/topic/253071-bracken-county-vs-bourbon-county-vs-rowan-county-scrimmage/

Bad look for a coach to take to social media.

Let the trolls troll each other.