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Let me ask this question. Let's say I had a group of people that are natural born citizens of the U.S.- we wanted to start a war with the U.S. (Just like the cofederate) to over throw they current way of living because we disliked or didn't believe in the current way- what is everyone's thoughts? Let's say my group lost - would my groups flag be allowed to fly?

 

Point I am making thinking back on the confederate states - they basically are terrorist or would be thought of in today's time.

Different times and different opinions then. Today it would be illegal to leave the Union, that was not so clear then. Were Texans thought of as terrorists? Maybe to Mexicans or our founding fathers? Maybe to the British but not to ourselves. The Southern States that left did so feeling they had the right to succession and there were no clear cut laws saying they couldn't though from what I recall some felt they could while others felt they could not. It was not until after the war that the issue was made clear. In the early years of our Country states rights were very strong due to fears of a strong Federal Govt becoming to strong. There were fears that a stronger Federal Govt could become a dictatorship.

Different times and different opinions then. Today it would be illegal to leave the Union, that was not so clear then. Were Texans thought of as terrorists? Maybe to Mexicans or our founding fathers? Maybe to the British but not to ourselves. The Southern States that left did so feeling they had the right to succession and there were no clear cut laws saying they couldn't though from what I recall some felt they could while others felt they could not. It was not until after the war that the issue was made clear. In the early years of our Country states rights were very strong due to fears of a strong Federal Govt becoming to strong. There were fears that a stronger Federal Govt could become a dictatorship.

 

Sounds like nothing has changed except for the little slave thingy then.

Great stuff in this article: Why do people believe myths about the Confederacy? Because our textbooks and monuments are wrong. - The Washington Post

 

 

Perhaps most perniciously, neo-Confederates now claim that the South seceded over states’ rights. Yet when each state left the Union, its leaders made clear that they were seceding because they were for slavery and against states’ rights. In its “Declaration of the Causes Which Impel the State of Texas to Secede From the Federal Union,” for example, the secession convention of Texas listed the states that had offended the delegates: “Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa.” Governments there had exercised states’ rights by passing laws that interfered with the federal government’s attempts to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act. Some no longer let slave owners “transit” across their territory with slaves. “States’ rights” were what Texas was seceding against.

 

Texas also made clear what it was seceding for — white supremacy:

 

We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

Great stuff in this article: Why do people believe myths about the Confederacy? Because our textbooks and monuments are wrong. - The Washington Post

 

 

Perhaps most perniciously, neo-Confederates now claim that the South seceded over states’ rights. Yet when each state left the Union, its leaders made clear that they were seceding because they were for slavery and against states’ rights. In its “Declaration of the Causes Which Impel the State of Texas to Secede From the Federal Union,” for example, the secession convention of Texas listed the states that had offended the delegates: “Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa.” Governments there had exercised states’ rights by passing laws that interfered with the federal government’s attempts to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act. Some no longer let slave owners “transit” across their territory with slaves. “States’ rights” were what Texas was seceding against.

 

Texas also made clear what it was seceding for — white supremacy:

 

We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

 

I read that article several days ago. Forgot to post it here...I'm glad that you did! Interesting stuff.

I read that article several days ago. Forgot to post it here...I'm glad that you did! Interesting stuff.

 

Same here.

Ignorance runs rampant in this country today

Great stuff in this article: Why do people believe myths about the Confederacy? Because our textbooks and monuments are wrong. - The Washington Post

 

 

Perhaps most perniciously, neo-Confederates now claim that the South seceded over states’ rights. Yet when each state left the Union, its leaders made clear that they were seceding because they were for slavery and against states’ rights. In its “Declaration of the Causes Which Impel the State of Texas to Secede From the Federal Union,” for example, the secession convention of Texas listed the states that had offended the delegates: “Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa.” Governments there had exercised states’ rights by passing laws that interfered with the federal government’s attempts to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act. Some no longer let slave owners “transit” across their territory with slaves. “States’ rights” were what Texas was seceding against.

 

Texas also made clear what it was seceding for — white supremacy:

 

We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

 

This guy has a screw loose

Great stuff in this article: Why do people believe myths about the Confederacy? Because our textbooks and monuments are wrong. - The Washington Post

 

 

Perhaps most perniciously, neo-Confederates now claim that the South seceded over states’ rights. Yet when each state left the Union, its leaders made clear that they were seceding because they were for slavery and against states’ rights. In its “Declaration of the Causes Which Impel the State of Texas to Secede From the Federal Union,” for example, the secession convention of Texas listed the states that had offended the delegates: “Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa.” Governments there had exercised states’ rights by passing laws that interfered with the federal government’s attempts to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act. Some no longer let slave owners “transit” across their territory with slaves. “States’ rights” were what Texas was seceding against.

 

Texas also made clear what it was seceding for — white supremacy:

 

We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

 

Funny how revisionist history often plays out.

Perhaps the most telling quote yet. From South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley, who just a few years ago said that her gubernatorial opponent's call for removal of the flag from the Statehouse was a "desperate stunt":

 

That flag needs to come down. I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag anymore."

This guy has a screw loose

 

Because he notes from primary source? :idunno:

Because he notes from primary source? :idunno:

 

A few comments here and there and this guy is claiming somehow everyone missed it.

 

"Teaching or implying that the Confederate states seceded for states’ rights is not accurate history. It is white, Confederate-apologist history"

 

There are tons of examples of where these states stood on states rights. He is taking one aspect of why theses states seceded and just omitting everything else. That can be done about almost anything. To me there is no question slavery was one of the reasons, and a significant one, especially to wealthy slave owners but not the whole picture as he makes it sound. The reasons for the Civil War are a great many.

A few comments here and there and this guy is claiming somehow everyone missed it.

 

"Teaching or implying that the Confederate states seceded for states’ rights is not accurate history. It is white, Confederate-apologist history"

 

There are tons of examples of where these states stood on states rights. He is taking one aspect of why theses states seceded and just omitting everything else. That can be done about almost anything. To me there is no question slavery was one of the reasons, and a significant one, especially to wealthy slave owners but not the whole picture as he makes it sound. The reasons for the Civil War are a great many.

 

He is highlighting the biggest reason the states seceded. Slavery wasn't just a significant reason, it was the main reason. Something that a lot of confederate sympathizers shy away from. Uncomfortable truths tend to make people come up with other reasons.