July 16, 201511 yr Who is trying to stop private sale? I see companies pulling the flag but I still haven't seen groups trying to ban the sale of it outright. At the same time, why are people who are trying to prevent the sale of it any sillier and dumber than the majority of people claiming the flag is about heritage yet they can't articulate that heritage the way Toothpick did? A majority of the folks making that claim holler about state's rights and they have zero clue about the true history of anything. I truly believe most southerners KNOW the flag is a symbol of racism and they simply don't give a crap. Until the last couple of weeks I had seen more rebel flags in western Pennsylvania and western New York than down here. The south has risen again though. (see stats below and this was CNN not FOX)... It would seem to me that most are more than willing to give up the Confederate flag solely for the reason it makes others uncomfortable even when they do not agree with the other's interpretation of the flag. And I said this before...I grew up in the deep South and the Confederate flag was not a rallying cry around racism, it was Southern pride. At what point do we get some balance to this dialogue and make it constructive and talk real issues? Among African-Americans, 72% see the Confederate flag as a symbol of racism, just 25% of whites agree. In the South, the racial divide is even broader. While 75% of Southern whites describe the flag as a symbol of pride and 18% call it a symbol of racism, those figures are almost exactly reversed among Southern African-Americans, with just 11% seeing it as a sign of pride and 75% viewing it as a symbol of racism. Among whites, there's a sharp divide by education, and those with more formal education are less apt to see the flag as a symbol of pride. Among whites with a college degree, 51% say it's a symbol of pride, 41% one of racism. Among those whites who do not have a college degree, 73% say it's a sign of Southern pride, 18% racism.
July 19, 201511 yr Interesting facts about the flag: 19 Things You Didn?t Know About the Confederate Flag
July 22, 201511 yr Interesting. Might have to read it sometime. The premise is the "behind the scenes" attempt to stop the War before it started and deal with the slavery issue at the heart of the conflict. The Peace That Almost Was | A new book by Mark Tooley
July 23, 201511 yr Interesting. Might have to read it sometime. The premise is the "behind the scenes" attempt to stop the War before it started and deal with the slavery issue at the heart of the conflict. The Peace That Almost Was | A new book by Mark Tooley That looks facinating!
July 27, 201511 yr We can rationalize the confederate flag all day and night. Here is a clear example of what the flag really means to black folk. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/27/1406207/-Armed-Confederate-supporters-interrupt-Black-child-s-birthday-party-w-racial-slurs-death-threats#
July 27, 201511 yr We can rationalize the confederate flag all day and night. Here is a clear example of what the flag really means to black folk. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/27/1406207/-Armed-Confederate-supporters-interrupt-Black-child-s-birthday-party-w-racial-slurs-death-threats# Sad and disquieting both.
July 29, 201511 yr Interesting. Might have to read it sometime. The premise is the "behind the scenes" attempt to stop the War before it started and deal with the slavery issue at the heart of the conflict. The Peace That Almost Was | A new book by Mark Tooley I got it for Kindle and am starting it, today. The fact that John Tyler was part of the negotiating committee, sparked my interest.
July 29, 201511 yr After the past couple of months, giving time for people to see the real symble of the confederate flag, and that its either some people were mislead on the real meaning as well as the real reason of the confederacy, or they support what the flag and confederacy stood for. If one still supports the nonsense that the flag is not a a racist symble, well, then if people still want to fly it around everywhere, then they are bigots, plain and simple. No excuses, this flag gained a lot of traction in the 50's and 60's and is NOT a part of someone heritage, unless being racist is their heritage. I'll dismiss the use of it in the past as being a different time, but that time has passed. To me, now days if I see a rebel flag on a car or license plate, it's the same as the occupant driving around yelling the N word.
July 29, 201511 yr Interesting facts about the flag: 19 Things You Didn?t Know About the Confederate Flag Boy it's hard to believe that 45% of blacks have no reaction to the flag. I think there's something fishy with that statistic.
July 29, 201511 yr After the past couple of months, giving time for people to see the real symble of the confederate flag, and that its either some people were mislead on the real meaning as well as the real reason of the confederacy, or they support what the flag and confederacy stood for. If one still supports the nonsense that the flag is not a a racist symble, well, then if people still want to fly it around everywhere, then they are bigots, plain and simple. No excuses, this flag gained a lot of traction in the 50's and 60's and is NOT a part of someone heritage, unless being racist is their heritage. I'll dismiss the use of it in the past as being a different time, but that time has passed. To me, now days if I see a rebel flag on a car or license plate, it's the same as the occupant driving around yelling the N word. Not even close to my view
July 29, 201511 yr Not even close to my view Good, bad or indifferent, the co-opting of the symbol by racist groups has made it this way. The real question is how long will folks like yourself stick with it for your own personal/family reasons in the face of it? Because just like the swastika, the Stars'n'Bars is never again going to not be associated with racism.
July 30, 201511 yr Good, bad or indifferent, the co-opting of the symbol by racist groups has made it this way. The real question is how long will folks like yourself stick with it for your own personal/family reasons in the face of it? Because just like the swastika, the Stars'n'Bars is never again going to not be associated with racism. The swastika had religious significance prior to the Nazis adopting it. Not anymore.
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