Look like Reds lose out

[dmderringer10]

Why don't they have it ,because we don't win!!!

 

It's not because of current management. Blame people in the past.

[AverageJoesGym]

Money is never a problem for the Yankees or Red Sox. They waste it like its Candy. JD Drew has one of the worst contracts in baseball. Sox also just give away money to Renteria, Lugo... they don't care they have it. This is why some point to a cap the debate goes both ways. The Reds have to start with contending in division then go from there.

 

J D Drew does make a lot of money. However, he's a lot better player than what you are giving him credit for. Its doubtful the Sox would have won the 2007 World Series without him. Check this article out: J D Drew a bargin?

 

And the Red Sox still spend about $70 million less than the Yankees. The Reds problem is they've wasted their resources on Alex Gonzalez, Willy Tavares, Corey Patterson, Paul Bako, Mike Lincoln, and $11 Million on a closer when they aren't a contending team.

 

Johnny Damon at $8 million would help then win more games than having Coco.

[John Anthony]

J D Drew does make a lot of money. However, he's a lot better player than what you are giving him credit for. Its doubtful the Sox would have won the 2007 World Series without him. Check this article out: J D Drew a bargin?

 

And the Red Sox still spend about $70 million less than the Yankees. The Reds problem is they've wasted their resources on Alex Gonzalez, Willy Tavares, Corey Patterson, Paul Bako, Mike Lincoln, and $11 Million on a closer when they aren't a contending team.

 

Johnny Damon at $8 million would help then win more games than having Coco.

 

For the last few years hes .270, 20 HR, 65 RBI for 14 million.

[AverageJoesGym]

The 14 million dollar grand slam.

 

Did you read the article? The 2004-09 Red Sox were built on OB%, Drew fit into their lineup perfectly. Its not always about putting together the best players but putting together the best players for your team's particular situation. Sure, the Sox have more money than most teams but their GM, manager and scouting department is the best in the business at finding the players that fit their situation and getting them in spots to succeed.

[PutMeInCoach]

Damon is washed up, he was protected by the Yankees line up. We'll see how he does without a stacked lineup around him..

[AverageJoesGym]

For the last few years hes .270, 20 HR, 65 RBI for 14 million.

 

Plus a World Series Title, a Division Title and 3 playoff appearances. He fits their needs. Again, did you read the article?

 

The Reds would be much better off to have $8 million invested in Damon with $3 million left to spend elsewhere then having $11 million tied up in Cordero. Cordero is not what the Reds needed--it was poorly spent money on the Reds part. Couple that with what they blew on Tavares and Patterson and they could be closer to contending this season.

 

Sure $8 million is probably too much for Damon but with him at the top of the order the Reds offense would be greatly improved and, if everything goes right with their starting pitching, they would have a chance to contend this season. A risk like that would have been worth taking--if a smaller market team doesn't take some chances their window for success is small. If they take a wait and see approach and hope their prospects develop they will be looking at replacing Rolen, Hernandez, Cabrera, Harang, Cordero and Arroyo. I know they have some good prospects but do they have enough to replace those players and contend?

[John Anthony]

Plus a World Series Title, a Division Title and 3 playoff appearances. He fits their needs. Again, did you read the article?

 

The Reds would be much better off to have $8 million invested in Damon with $3 million left to spend elsewhere then having $11 million tied up in Cordero. Cordero is not what the Reds needed--it was poorly spent money on the Reds part. Couple that with what they blew on Tavares and Patterson and they could be closer to contending this season.

 

Sure $8 million is probably too much for Damon but with him at the top of the order the Reds offense would be greatly improved and, if everything goes right with their starting pitching, they would have a chance to contend this season. A risk like that would have been worth taking--if a smaller market team doesn't take some chances their window for success is small. If they take a wait and see approach and hope their prospects develop they will be looking at replacing Rolen, Hernandez, Cabrera, Harang, Cordero and Arroyo. I know they have some good prospects but do they have enough to replace those players and contend?

 

The people in Boston will tell you its a bad deal. He makes a million more per year than Papi... when I think him and Manny had something to do with 07 as well. They also wasted 76 million between Renteria and Julio Lugo. If Boston wants to feel comfy and fill a spot they will waste the money. If Papi is bad this year they will trade For AD Gonzalez then turn around and give him a big deal which might be worth it for him. Reds will never have this luxury. When they spend more than 5 million on a player he better pan out or were set back a few years.

[AverageJoesGym]

The people in Boston will tell you its a bad deal. He makes a million more per year than Papi... when I think him and Manny had something to do with 07 as well. They also wasted 76 million between Renteria and Julio Lugo. If Boston wants to feel comfy and fill a spot they will waste the money. If Papi is bad this year they will trade For AD Gonzalez then turn around and give him a big deal which might be worth it for him. Reds will never have this luxury. When they spend more than 5 million on a player he better pan out or were set back a few years.

 

Sorry, but you're wrong there. Sure he's not one of the most popular players amongst fans because of his laid back demeanor. However, Boston fans are some of the most knowledgable in the game and they know how important he is to the team. No, he didn't win the 2007 World Series for them but I don't think they win it without him. He's hit in all 9 spots in the batting order since being in Boston, he has a great on base percentage and he's been very good in the postseason. He isn't paid to drive in runs, he's paid to get on base--which he does as well as anyone in the game. Since you evidently didn't read the article here's something that a casual fan wouldn't know and why he's not been overpaid with the Sox.

 

 

"Just 10 players had an OPS (on-base plus slugging percentage) of .900 or greater in 2008 and ’09: Pujols, Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez, Lance Berkman, Mark Teixeira, Kevin Youkilis, Hanley Ramirez, Matt Holliday, Chase Utley - and Drew.

 

Over the three seasons since he signed with Boston, Drew has gotten on base at a .390 clip. That stands as fourth-best among outfielders in baseball in that span, behind only Manny Ramirez (.412), Holliday (.403), Magglio Ordonez (.397), and tied with Adam Dunn."

 

 

That's some pretty select company. It isn't all about homeruns, batting average and RBIs.

[John Anthony]

Sorry, but you're wrong there. Sure he's not one of the most popular players amongst fans because of his laid back demeanor. However, Boston fans are some of the most knowledgable in the game and they know how important he is to the team. No, he didn't win the 2007 World Series for them but I don't think they win it without him. He's hit in all 9 spots in the batting order since being in Boston, he has a great on base percentage and he's been very good in the postseason. He isn't paid to drive in runs, he's paid to get on base--which he does as well as anyone in the game. Since you evidently didn't read the article here's something that a casual fan wouldn't know and why he's not been overpaid with the Sox.

 

 

"Just 10 players had an OPS (on-base plus slugging percentage) of .900 or greater in 2008 and ’09: Pujols, Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez, Lance Berkman, Mark Teixeira, Kevin Youkilis, Hanley Ramirez, Matt Holliday, Chase Utley - and Drew.

 

Over the three seasons since he signed with Boston, Drew has gotten on base at a .390 clip. That stands as fourth-best among outfielders in baseball in that span, behind only Manny Ramirez (.412), Holliday (.403), Magglio Ordonez (.397), and tied with Adam Dunn."

 

 

That's some pretty select company. It isn't all about homeruns, batting average and RBIs.

 

Drew is in his third year of his five year contract paying him $14 million a year and so far he has hit 42 homers for the $42 million the Red Sox have paid him.

 

He has missed about 85 games in two and two thirds seasons with the Red Sox. He has never drove in more than 64 runs in a season for the Red Sox.

 

I don’t know how Drew and his agent Boras can sleep at night since Drew will have made $80 million by the end of this season in his career. His only impressive stat is his 204 homers, but it has taken him 12 years of averaging 17 homers a season to reach that number.

 

He has had 64 RBI or less in nine of his 12 seasons and is averaging about 57 RBI over his career.

 

There have only been three seasons in which Drew has played more than 135 games and he has never played in more than 146 games in a season.

 

He was better in 09 but still not close to worth 14 million. Drew can work a count but so could Dunn who he was tied with in your stat but the Reds don't have that much to spend on a guy to walk. Boston can buy whatever category they want. They gave 36 year old Mike Cameron 7.5 million to shag fly balls off the monster this year....

Edited February 22, 2010 by John Anthony

[John Anthony]

In other news... the Reds I hear are auctioning off a spot in the team photo... opening bid 500 bucks.. all proceeds toward a LF I hope? :ohbrother:

[AverageJoesGym]

In other news... the Reds I hear are auctioning off a spot in the team photo... opening bid 500 bucks.. all proceeds toward a LF I hope? :ohbrother:

 

 

They could have afforded a pretty nice LFer for the $11 million they are spending on Coco.....that's a poor contract.

[spindoc]

They could have afforded a pretty nice LFer for the $11 million they are spending on Coco.....that's a poor contract.

Same song over and over. We get it already.

[John Anthony]

They could have afforded a pretty nice LFer for the $11 million they are spending on Coco.....that's a poor contract.

 

But if they had a LF and start winning who is going to close games out? Wagner flopped and Cordero is good for 40 saves. Sure he is probably overpaid but that bullpen has been ugly in the past.

[spindoc]

But if they had a LF and start winning who is going to close games out? Wagner flopped and Cordero is good for 40 saves. Sure he is probably overpaid but that bullpen has been ugly in the past.

Don't need a closer. With a new $11million LF we would score so many more runs that closer would be obsolete.

[John Anthony]

Don't need a closer. With a new $11million LF we would score so many more runs that closer would be obsolete.

 

Yes we were brainwashed to believe that in the early mid 2000's.:lol: Cordero makes a lot but at the time he was a statement signing by Castellini wasn't he? It just looks like Bob never followed through with his statement.