Do You Think Obama is....

[oldrambler]

1. :thumb:

 

2. Why is it a joke? Isn't part of socialism and increase of government control and creation of beauracracies and funding? What do you call "No Child left Behind?" Bush created an entire agency called "Homeland Security" instead of retooling existing agencies like the CIA and FBI to the job. Whereas Bush's intent is far from socialist, his actions make this question not so ludicruous if you are honest.

 

3. You really ought to give your "grassy knoll" ineuendos a rest as there has been more real evidence put forth on her to debunk that stuff than anyone has ever put forth to prove it.

 

4. Roosevelt was more Patrician acting but pretty close to Socialist in his revamping of America in the New Deal.

 

5. What that has to do with the question concerning America as a Socialist Country is beyond me. I think we are Capitalist but have some Socialist tendencies.

 

6. There are still some of those "old school Dems" around. I agree that the far left has too long been the ones that are heard. The party looks a lot less like the party of Bobby Kennedy and Harry Truman. (Note I did not care for the Democratic party of Strom Thurmond or George Wallace)

 

I will try and answer the questons as I feel.

 

2. Bush has made some bad decisions and mistakes imo, I don't think anyone will agrgue that. You have said it yourself, Bush's intent was far from socialist. That was the question, nothing else.....some are trying to spin it to something else. I do not believe that Bush is a socialist and I do think that it is crazy to think that he is.

 

3. I was stating my opinion, nothing more and nothing less. Kind of like the Chappaquddick deal with dear ol' Teddy only imo more organized. Again, I emphasize and will say it slowly......Is.......My......Opinion.

 

4.Like I stated, I really don't know enough about his presidency other than what I have heard.

 

5. I may have taken that question wrong in the post that I had originally quoted.

 

6. :thumb: I cetainly hope that the ones that are still around will start standing up and saying so and tell all of these idiot liberals (again, not all liberals are idiots...just a large % of them imo:D) about this. Too many of the "true democrats" are letting these liberals who probably cannot even spell democrat claim this party. I honestly wish that there would be some way to create another party and separate the ones with their far,far left beliefs and agenda's into their own category.

[lynks66]

Here is my question then: If they United States is a capitalist state (the most capitalist in the world, I might add) despite having massive agricultural subsidies, a public infrastructure system, military, a progressive tax system, social security, some forms of nationalized healthcare in medicare and medicaide, etc., then what is it that still makes us capitalist and what is it that Obama is reversing that will make us socialist? Is George Bush a socialist because of the exorbitant public spending seen under his watch, the steel cartel created under his watch, or his hallmark increases into the size of national industries (secondary education and Medicare)? Where is the line?

 

 

 

I agree. But, will private hospitals, private doctors, and private insurance companies be closing their doors and handing the keys over to the government under Obama's plan? Is an increase in government spending socialist? I contend that it is a liberal enterprise, but not a socialist one.

 

The meaning of the word has been so far diluted that it's used to describe anyone that isn't Adam Smith (and some on here would still call him a socialist). Is that really being honest? We already have a word to describe those who advocate a larger government - liberal. Socialism rejects the markets as the mechanism that moves the economy in favor of central planning through the ownership of industries, private property, and the termination of free enterprise. That is a fundamental difference in ideology, not a blurred line between parties, especially American parties.

 

I agree with much of your post and you make some excellent points, especially with President Bush. I think the argument that most are making is that while Senator Obama may not be a Hugo Chavez socialist, his policies will likely be more socialist leaning than many conservatives would prefer. No one on here wants the US to become a socialist state (or at least I would think so) some just fear that moves like national healthcare and larger government and possibly even NCLB are moves in that direction.

 

I may be way off base here, but that is my opinion in a nutshell.

[UKMustangFan]

I agree with much of your post and you make some excellent points, especially with President Bush. I think the argument that most are making is that while Senator Obama may not be a Hugo Chavez socialist, his policies will likely be more socialist leaning than many conservatives would prefer. No one on here wants the US to become a socialist state (or at least I would think so) some just fear that moves like national healthcare and larger government and possibly even NCLB are moves in that direction.

 

I may be way off base here, but that is my opinion in a nutshell.

 

:thumb:

 

I have no doubt in my mind that both Obama and McCain have the country's best interests in mind. I just happen to disagree completely with Obama on what those are....

[oldrambler]

:thumb:

 

I have no doubt in my mind that both Obama and McCain have the country's best interests in mind. I just happen to disagree completely with Obama on what those are....

 

I agree with you and have differences with some of McCain's ideas as well and really haven't heard what that other guy's "Change" ideas are other than he is for "Change", I just worry on what his "Change" really is.

 

I will agree with you on "McCain" having this country's best interest in mind.

[acemona]

I agree with much of your post and you make some excellent points, especially with President Bush. I think the argument that most are making is that while Senator Obama may not be a Hugo Chavez socialist, his policies will likely be more socialist leaning than many conservatives would prefer. No one on here wants the US to become a socialist state (or at least I would think so) some just fear that moves like national healthcare and larger government and possibly even NCLB are moves in that direction.

 

I may be way off base here, but that is my opinion in a nutshell.

 

HE DOES NOT WANT TO NATIONALIZE HEALTHCARE - FOR THE SECOND TIME.

 

A misnomer or flat out distortion of the facts regarding his healthcare plan.

[UKMustangFan]

HE DOES NOT WANT TO NATIONALIZE HEALTHCARE - FOR THE SECOND TIME.

 

A misnomer or flat out distortion of the facts regarding his healthcare plan.

 

What exactly does he want to do with it then?

[lynks66]

HE DOES NOT WANT TO NATIONALIZE HEALTHCARE - FOR THE SECOND TIME.

 

A misnomer or flat out distortion of the facts regarding his healthcare plan.

 

 

From barackobama.com:

 

"If you are one of the 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will have it after this plan becomes law. No one will be turned away because of a preexisting condition or illness.”

 

 

I didn't say nationalized/state owned health care, I said national healthcare. Hope this helps to clear things up for you.

[Run To State]

From barackobama.com:

 

"If you are one of the 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will have it after this plan becomes law. No one will be turned away because of a preexisting condition or illness.”

 

 

I didn't say nationalized/state owned health care, I said national healthcare. Hope this helps to clear things up for you.

Who pays for it? Bet I know. :fight:

[bballfamily]

It was asked earlier about this person or that person in US History being a socialist or not. I believe they were for their times and the phrase to use in this situation is called 'creeping socialism'. It like the frog in the pot of water and the heat is being turned up slowly. Socialism is being introduced a piece at a time and for many with a lack of historical perspective do not realize what is happening.

[GO CATS]

http://www.newparty.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Party_%28USA%29

http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12340

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN

 

I've never heard of either organization previous to this post, but these look like communistic organizations to me. Or is it socialistic? You do know there's a difference, right? It stands to reason that if he's one, we could at least rule out the other. Unless, of course, ones goal is to use scary words without regard to their meaning to devalue a person.

 

Unless someone wants to take a shot at my last post, I'm finished here.

 

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