How can the Reds be this bad when.......

[All Play No Work]

.......you really look at it and consider how many players are playing about as well as they can?

 

Consider:

 

Griffey: Can't expect much more production from him considering he did start slow and was sick. At his age he is playing about as well as he can and that is pretty good.

 

Conine/Hatte: Combined they are about as good as you are going to get from them at this stage in their careers and the combo numbers are pretty strong.

 

Phillips: On the way to a career year and maybe an All-Star appearance.

 

Gonzo: Probably hitting as well as he can hit, and defense is maybe average for him but at the very least average for the league.

 

Freel: Not going to get much more than .260 and a spark and the ability to fill in when needed.

 

Dunn: On pace for another 40/100 and can even run pretty well. Defense is not good, but better than it was. Still K's too much, but walks a lot.

 

Hamilton: As best as could be expected from his limited experience and more than the Reds probably thought they would get.

 

Ross/Valetin/Moeller: Pretty bad and probably the one group that has underacheived.

 

Edwin E: Not a good year for him.

 

So that's 2 "bad" and 7 "average or better" performances on the hitting side.

 

I guess that spells trouble.

[HammerTime]

There is one big thing you left out. PITCHING.

[All Play No Work]

There is one big thing you left out. PITCHING.

 

Ah but has it been that bad?

 

Consider:

 

4 of the 5 starters with an ERA under 5.00. Not fantastic but not all that bad.

 

Bullpen closer with 9 saves and 2.08 era.

 

Can Arroyo pitch much better? Can Weathers?

 

Team ERA of 4.42. Again not great but not expected of a last place team.

 

So the hitting is about middle of the pack in the National League with slightly better than average power and speed. Runs per game slightly better than average for the league.

 

Pitching slightly worse than average and runs per game slightly worse than average for the league.

 

So why aren't the Reds at .500???????

[HammerTime]

Defense, Fundamentals, Pitching, Over all baseball smarts, and pitching.

[NEERFAN]

They've been tied going into the 8th inning 8 times and are 0-8. They have allowed 30+ runs in the 8th inning in just over 40 games. The have lost 16 games in which they held the lead.

[All Play No Work]

Defense, Fundamentals, Pitching, Over all baseball smarts, and pitching.

 

Defense:

 

Average at First and Second and Catcher and Right field

 

Below average in Left, Third

 

Above average at Short, Center

 

Every way I slice it they should be .500????

[C-A-T-S]

Because they have given up 3262362623 runs in the 8th!!!

[Jim Schue]

Marty was talking with Rosencrans early in the game tonight, and Trent said that the Reds have allowed more runs in the eighth inning than any other frame. Second-most? First inning.

 

I hate to say it, but the starting pitching has fallen off dramatically lately. As far as ERA goes, Arroyo (Monday night notwithstanding) has really been the only consistently good starter.

 

Belisle and Lohse had good starts, but both have fallen off dramatically. Harang's ERA has been near 5.00 all year. And, well, we all know what Milton does.

[All Play No Work]

Marty was talking with Rosencrans early in the game tonight, and Trent said that the Reds have allowed more runs in the eighth inning than any other frame. Second-most? First inning.

 

I hate to say it, but the starting pitching has fallen off dramatically lately. As far as ERA goes, Arroyo (Monday night notwithstanding) has really been the only consistently good starter.

 

Belisle and Lohse had good starts, but both have fallen off dramatically. Harang's ERA has been near 5.00 all year. And, well, we all know what Milton does.

 

Even with all that considered:

 

Reds runs scored 210 (4.57 per game)

Reds runs allowed 223 (4.85 per game)

 

How can that produce the worst record in the league?

[oldrambler]

Defense, Fundamentals, Pitching, Over all baseball smarts, and pitching.

This pretty much sums it up, outside of all of these minor details:sssh: that you mentioned the Reds aren't that bad. :lol: This seasons Reds remind me of an old quote about the lowly Mets when they first came on the scene "Can anyone here play this game??" :irked:

 

"Little Red Wagon"

"Bad News Reds"

 

Any more ideas for nicknames for this team?? ( ones that are allowed on bgp :lol: )

[All Play No Work]

Pythagorean winning percentage is an estimate of a team's winning percentage given their runs scored and runs allowed. Developed by Bill James, it can tell you when teams were a bit lucky or unlucky. It is calculated by

 

 

(Runs Scored)^1.83

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(Runs Scored)^1.83 + (Runs Allowed)^1.83

 

 

 

According to this the Reds should be 22-24.

[UKMustangFan]

Even with all that considered:

 

Reds runs scored 210 (4.57 per game)

Reds runs allowed 223 (4.85 per game)

 

How can that produce the worst record in the league?

 

 

Because you have guys like Jerry Narron making decisions....Well that, and the uncanny ability to score tons of runs when the pitching does well, and not score any when the pitching is bad.

[gametime]

Even with all that considered:

 

Reds runs scored 210 (4.57 per game)

Reds runs allowed 223 (4.85 per game)

 

How can that produce the worst record in the league?

When you drop 13 one run games. Or something like that...

[All Play No Work]

Because you have guys like Jerry Narron making decisions....Well that, and the uncanny ability to score tons of runs when the pitching does well, and not score any when the pitching is bad.

 

22-24 would put the Reds on second place in the division.

 

Are you saying Narron is to blame or the uncanny ability or both?

[UKMustangFan]

22-24 would put the Reds on second place in the division.

 

Are you saying Narron is to blame or the uncanny ability or both?

 

Both.