5 hours ago, Statsdontlie said:

CAL will have to go through Boyle County in 4A. 

Yes, I didn’t mean to say CAL will win a title in 4A. But they certainly can.

12 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

What is accomplished by this? Does anyone think CAL won't win a 4A title. CCH can't win a 5A title? LCA can't win a 3A title? All the top private schools will still win. It doesn't matter what class they are in. I don't see what the point of it is.

To the point about the elite Private school teams in Kentucky being able to win the State Championship in a higher Class, they absolutely can. OMI the reason for this move by the KHSAA is the same that it was in Tennessee years ago, Private schools being disproportionately represented in the KY State Championships (5 of the 12 teams competing in 2025).

Tennessee tried the 1.4 multiplier for Private schools that chose to stay in Division 1 (Public) instead of moving to the newly created Division 2 (Private) several years ago. It appeared to be an intermediate step and the TSSAA finally resolved that there should be a total split between D1/D2 for playoffs. A few Public schools still play Private schools in the regular season (Montgomery Bell Academy vs. Pearl-Cohn is an old traditional game) but most public schools do not play the Private schools. None of the seven Public schools in my county play D2 schools in any sport. Being from Kentucky I realize there are far fewer Private schools than here in TN (51 divided into three Classes). There was still controversy after the D1/D2 split as the smaller schools in the Private Division, as the imbalance between them and the larger D2 schools was significant. That is why the two smaller classes have 19 and 20 teams while AAA has only 12 (MBA, Brentwood Academy, Baylor School, Ensworth, etc.).

I not sure there is a magical way to "even" the competition. In all six classes of D1 (45 to 53 teams per class) there are usually 4 to 6 programs you can pencil in as playing in the TN State Championship Games. In D2 there is even less variance in teams playing for the "Gold Ball." Some of the schools in the D2 Division have zero chance of competing with the top teams in their Class. Whether Public of Private, some programs are just historically stronger year to year. Arguments can be made as to why (more resources, better coaching, community support, families moving into a particular school district to play, etc.) but OMI that cannot be altered. We've had numerous families move from bordering Metro Nashville into our School District because those schools are so bad (academically and athletically).

 

On 2/20/2026 at 6:58 PM, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

There have been 19 seasons of 6A football state championships since the inception of 6-class football in Kentucky. Trinity has had 14 state finals appearances and has won 13 state championships. Male has had 7 state finals appearances and has won 2 state championships. St. Xavier has had 4 state finals appearances and has won 2 state championships. Scott County has had 3 state finals appearances and has won 1 state championship. Lafayette has had 2 state finals appearances.

If the goal here is to try to make it harder for successful programs to win state titles and easier for the less successful programs to win state titles, then it sure was not accomplished in 6A football, because there isn't a damn bit of difference made for any team that's been in the 6A finals in the last two decades.

And "unfair advantages"....well....as a magnet school, Male pulls in students from all corners of Jefferson County. And they've shown up in the 6A football finals nearly two times for every one time that St. X has.

6A Finals (winners listed first)
2007: Trinity vs. St. Xavier
2008: Trinity vs. Simon Kenton
2009: St. Xavier vs. Trinity
2010: Trinity vs. Male
2011: Trinity vs. Scott County
2012: Trinity vs. Pleasure Ridge Park
2013: Scott County vs. Meade County
2014: Trinity vs. Dixie Heights
2015: Male vs. Lafayette
2016: Trinity vs. Lafayette
2017: Trinity vs. St. Xavier
2018: Male vs. Scott County
2019: Trinity vs. Male
2020: Trinity vs. Male
2021: St. Xavier vs. Male
2022: Bullitt East vs. Male
2023: Trinity vs. Bryan Station
2024: Trinity vs. Ryle
2025: Trinity vs. South Warren

I believe the only team outside of Louisville that has won the state championship twice in KY’s biggest classification 4A/6A is Christian County. Now they will be in 6A as Christian County Tigers. The city of Louisville has always dominated 4A/6A.

6 hours ago, tackle trap said:

I believe the only team outside of Louisville that has won the state championship twice in KY’s biggest classification 4A/6A is Christian County. Now they will be in 6A as Christian County Tigers. The city of Louisville has always dominated 4A/6A.

Here are final scores from the state finals each year in the historical largest football classes in Kentucky:

6A - 2024 Trinity 42 Ryle 23    
6A - 2023 Trinity 41 Bryan Station 20    
6A - 2022 Bullit East 28 Male 27    
6A - 2021 St. Xavier 31 Male 21    
6A - 2020 Trinity 28 Male 0    
6A - 2019 Trinity 28 Male 6    
6A - 2018 Male 37 Scott County 20    
6A - 2017 Trinity 38 St. Xavier 21    
6A - 2016 Trinity 53 Lafayette 21    
6A - 2015 Male 41 Lafayette 14    
6A - 2014 Trinity 47 Dixie Heights 14    
6A - 2013 Scott County 21 Meade County 14    
6A - 2012 Trinity 61 Pleasure Ridge Park 7    
6A - 2011 Trinity 62 Scott County 21    
6A - 2010 Trinity 38 Male 0    
6A - 2009 St. Xavier 34 Trinity 10    
6A - 2008 Trinity 48 Simon Kenton 0    
6A - 2007 Trinity 34 St. Xavier 28 (Overtime)                       
4A - 2006 Trinity 41 Ryle 7    
4A - 2005 Trinity 14 St. Xavier 6    
4A - 2004 St. Xavier 49 Scott County 9    
4A - 2003 Trinity 17 St. Xavier 4    
4A - 2002 Trinity 59 Male 56    
4A - 2001 Trinity 45 Male 19    
4A - 2000 Male 34 Trinity 14    
4A - 1999 St. Xavier 34 Bryan Station 21 (Overtime)
4A - 1998 Male 31 Tates Creek 7    
4A - 1997 St. Xavier 3 Trinity 0    
4A - 1996 Nelson County 35 Paul Laurence Dunbar 34 (Overtime)
4A - 1995 St. Xavier 26 Henry Clay 0    
4A - 1994 Trinity 21 Boone County 7    
4A - 1993 Male 29 Shelby County 7    
4A - 1992 St. Xavier 3 Boone County 0    
4A - 1991 George Rogers Clark 28 St. Xavier 21    
4A - 1990 Trinity 27 Warren Central 14    
4A - 1989 Trinity 28 Warren Central 14    
4A - 1988 Trinity 28 DuPont Manual 0    
4A - 1987 Shelby County 17 Boone County 14    
4A - 1986 St. Xavier 27 Boone County 14    
4A - 1985 Trinity 28 Lafayette 7    
4A - 1984 Christian County 14 Ballard 10    
4A - 1983 Trinity 26 Owensboro 7    
4A - 1982 Christian County 10 Southern 3    
4A - 1981 Henry Clay 20 DeSales 7    
4A - 1980 Trinity 31 Paducah Tilghman 8    
4A - 1979 Butler 21 Henry Clay 7
4A - 1978 St. Xavier 42 Tates Creek 21    
4A - 1977 Trinity 28 Greenup County 7    
4A - 1976 Trinity 28 Henderson County 24    
4A - 1975 St. Xavier 20 Ashland 0
3A - 1974 St. Xavier 48 Westport 14    
3A - 1973 Trinity 16 South Henderson 0    
3A - 1972 Trinity 21 Butler 0    
3A - 1971 Flaget 7 Thomas Jefferson 7 (Tie)
3A - 1970 Butler 20 Trinity 0    
3A - 1969 St. Xavier 15 Butler 0    
3A - 1968 Trinity 29 Seneca 18    
3A - 1967 Flaget 21 Thomas Jefferson 0    
3A - 1966 DuPont Manual 33 Butler 6    
3A - 1965 Seneca 13 Flaget 12    
3A - 1964 Male 27 Eastern 0    
3A - 1963 Male 23 Waggener 7    
3A - 1962 St. Xavier 7 Valley 6    
3A - 1961 Flaget 41 Fairdale 13    
3A - 1960 Male 1 Eastern 0 (Forfeit)
3A - 1959 DuPont Manual 41 Durrett 14    

Interesting that the KHSAA is concerned about allegedly leveling the playing field in football, cross country and track and field but have no problem not classifying all the other sports which do not have classes which results in schools with well over 1000 students competing against some schools with as few as 200 students.   I've always said over the years the most consistent thing about the KHSAA is there inconsistency with everything.

Is there anything stopping the private schools from withdrawing from the KHSAA and forming their own organization?  It would be tough for any private schools outside the triangle, but the teams in those areas would have no problem scheduling games.  

11 minutes ago, REALSPORT said:

Is there anything stopping the private schools from withdrawing from the KHSAA and forming their own organization?  It would be tough for any private schools outside the triangle, but the teams in those areas would have no problem scheduling games.  

Here are the private football playing schools in Kentucky again.  I am not sure what kind of organization could be cobbled together out of so few schools.

Bethlehem
Bishop Brossart
Christian Academy of Louisville
Covington Catholic
DeSales
Holy Cross (Covington)
Holy Cross (Louisville)
Kentucky Country Day School
Lexington Catholic
Lexington Christian Academy
Newport Central Catholic
Owensboro Catholic
Saint Henry
Saint Xavier
Sayre School
Trinity (Louisville)

33 minutes ago, REALSPORT said:

Is there anything stopping the private schools from withdrawing from the KHSAA and forming their own organization?  It would be tough for any private schools outside the triangle, but the teams in those areas would have no problem scheduling games.  

Yes. 
 

1. They would lose the catastrophic insurance coverage provided by their membership within the KHSAA. 

2. The football programs within the private schools would likely not have an issue scheduling 10 football games, but how about scheduling 30 + baseball and basketball games, 20 + soccer and lacrosse games, all other sports, Frosh and JV levels, etc

3. The private schools would lose the opportunity to play for a “meaningful” state championship. It’s one thing to be called “state champion” atop 150 to 250 other schools. But “state champion” atop 15 to 20 schools. 

23 minutes ago, TH58 said:

Yes. 
 

1. They would lose the catastrophic insurance coverage provided by their membership within the KHSAA. 

2. The football programs within the private schools would likely not have an issue scheduling 10 football games, but how about scheduling 30 + baseball and basketball games, 20 + soccer and lacrosse games, all other sports, Frosh and JV levels, etc

3. The private schools would lose the opportunity to play for a “meaningful” state championship. It’s one thing to be called “state champion” atop 150 to 250 other schools. But “state champion” atop 15 to 20 schools. 

Good to know.  Would be interesting to see if KHSAA schools would and could schedule the rebels.  I know plenty of coaches and ADs at public schools who would have no problem scheduling private schools if allowed to do so.  Many of them are private school grads themselves.  If not, playing all the schools twice puts you at 30.  Three 5 team divisions in football.  Maybe fill the schedule with out-of-state schools.

I remember back in the slow-pitch softball rebellion championed by the late, great Dale McMillan.  Those teams sure did celebrate their "state" championships.

I'm an anarchist at heart, so I would love seeing the chaos. 

 

Is it fair to assume private schools can appeal if they're moved up/down a class? I can't imagine KHSAA would look at St. Henry and think "Yep, that's a school that's ready to move up." Would kneecap the program when it's barely gotten off the ground. If enrollment trends continue upward, then it makes sense (as some people have already discussed), but that was supposed to be a discussion a few years from now. 

1 minute ago, DukeDog said:

Is it fair to assume private schools can appeal if they're moved up/down a class? I can't imagine KHSAA would look at St. Henry and think "Yep, that's a school that's ready to move up." Would kneecap the program when it's barely gotten off the ground. If enrollment trends continue upward, then it makes sense (as some people have already discussed), but that was supposed to be a discussion a few years from now. 

At least in NKY, if St. Henry can get an Anti-Private School Multiplier Waiver, Covington Holy Cross and Bishop Brossart should qualify too. 

1 minute ago, DukeDog said:

Is it fair to assume private schools can appeal if they're moved up/down a class? I can't imagine KHSAA would look at St. Henry and think "Yep, that's a school that's ready to move up." Would kneecap the program when it's barely gotten off the ground. If enrollment trends continue upward, then it makes sense (as some people have already discussed), but that was supposed to be a discussion a few years from now. 

I’m sure they can appeal. I’m pessimistic the KHSAA does anything in their favor with that but they’d not be the first to appeal the criteria regarding alignment. 

3 hours ago, TH58 said:

Yes. 
 

1. They would lose the catastrophic insurance coverage provided by their membership within the KHSAA. 

2. The football programs within the private schools would likely not have an issue scheduling 10 football games, but how about scheduling 30 + baseball and basketball games, 20 + soccer and lacrosse games, all other sports, Frosh and JV levels, etc

3. The private schools would lose the opportunity to play for a “meaningful” state championship. It’s one thing to be called “state champion” atop 150 to 250 other schools. But “state champion” atop 15 to 20 schools. 

It's only 32 per class as it is.  Would anyone winning in 3A or 6A not feel like their state championship was lesser since the best competition wasn't there?  It'd think so.  I agree on points 1 and 2. 

10 hours ago, theguru said:

At least in NKY, if St. Henry can get an Anti-Private School Multiplier Waiver, Covington Holy Cross and Bishop Brossart should qualify too. 

Brossart appealed their assignment to 2A when they were going to be just one or two students over the 1A limit and were denied. It almost cost them shutting down the program. They hung on and were moved back to 1A during the ensuing classifications and have enjoyed some success. With only 16 schools I can't understand any waivers for the multiplier. Look at track and cross country in NKY, especially Class A..... pretty dominant. I can't believe schools outside of Louisville and NKY aren't complaining about volleyball.

I am wondering how WEB DuBois will fit into this multiplier scenario?

To my knowledge (which is not much) they are different than all the other public schools in Louisville and have NO home school area.

Would they be subject to the multiplier?