36 minutes ago, Footballfan24 said:

There are lots of reasons being discussed here on why the system needs to be fixed. 

I ask this question....... IF Trinity and CAL were not as successful as they are would this be as big of an issue? 

Do people get upset when Boyle County wins like they do  compared to when CAL and T wins?

I think the main reason  CAL and T draw more kids is because the JCPS system is broken.  IF more kids were spread  throughout that district and bringing more parity would we be having this discussion.  Lots of families sacrificing to send their kids to those places rather than a JCPS school. A lot of those kids play football but most of them do not.

Yes.  Society in general doesn’t like teams that win too much. Or should I say dynasty programs.   Be honest, how many of you liked the Brady Patriots?   The current Dodgers?   I think around the state (and country) people get upset when the same teams win over and over and over at any level or sport.  For what it’s worth I have child that performs with high school marching band that has won 12 state titles.  A great program and tradition that requires students to put in countless hours of practice on their craft.  However, every 3-5 years the KMEA is always tweaking the class formula which specifically targets the highest performing programs.  Which almost comes across as a slap in the face of the kids talent and hard work. Society talks a lot about being great, but the truth is society doesn’t want anyone or team to be too great. 

7 minutes ago, FatNate said:

Yes.  Society in general doesn’t like teams that win too much. Or should I say dynasty programs.   Be honest, how many of you liked the Brady Patriots?   The current Dodgers?   I think around the state (and country) people get upset when the same teams win over and over and over at any level or sport.  For what it’s worth I have child that performs with high school marching band that has won 12 state titles.  A great program and tradition that requires students to put in countless hours of practice on their craft.  However, every 3-5 years the KMEA is always tweaking the class formula which specifically targets the highest performing programs.  Which almost comes across as a slap in the face of the kids talent and hard work. Society talks a lot about being great, but the truth is society doesn’t want anyone or team to be too great. 

Curious.... Do the highly competitive band programs tend to attract students that wish to be a part of a wining program or do the kids just show through feeder programs and the program develops them into winners?

27 minutes ago, Tigerpride94 said:

CAL and Trinity are also in wealthier part of city so close to people that can afford private school. 

How come no one is upset about X in these threads? They all the things that are mentioned that seem to be unfair advantages.

23 minutes ago, Footballfan24 said:

How come no one is upset about X in these threads? They all the things that are mentioned that seem to be unfair advantages.

Probably because of recency bias. Trinity and CAL been winning championships in football last few years where St. X hasn't. 

6 hours ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

Seen on social media...

"So according to KY, a public school kid is equal to 3/4 of a private school kid?"

I think the best social media post I saw was on X.  Someone asked how 1.35 multiplier was selected and the answer was it's the smallest number possible that would force CAL to move up a class. ?

16 hours ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

In 2023 SCHSL enacted a rule for their current 2024-26 alignment that created a 3x "out-of-zone" multiplier. The multiplier counts a single student who attends a school from outside the "attendance zone" (geographical school district) as three students when tallied in total enrollment. So in other words, if a public school has 310 boys enrolled and a total of 10 of those boys are living out of the school's assigned attendance zone, then those 10 boys get a 3-times multiplier assigned to them. So (300 x 1) + (10 x 3) = 330 boys in their adjusted enrollment figure.

If they are going to follow through with this multiplier for private schools, then I honestly believe they should do this scenario for public schools too. If you are going to do the multiplier to private schools, because of possible "competitive" advantages in regards to who you can pull. Then the scenario you mentioned should be used for public schools too, who pull kids from outside their attendance zones. As a lot of the top public school football programs, do also typically get more out of attendance zones kids to come in, which gives them similar "competitive" advantage that is being used against private schools with this new plan. As you see some of the top public school teams like Boyle, Beechwood get guys from outside their district. Which even just 5 good players from out of district, can make a big difference. So in Beechwood's case 5 players from outside of district, if you times that by 3 that makes their enrollment go up 15. Which does make a difference and could possibly put them in 3A then. 

53 minutes ago, futurecoach said:

If they are going to follow through with this multiplier for private schools, then I honestly believe they should do this scenario for public schools too. If you are going to do the multiplier to private schools, because of possible "competitive" advantages in regards to who you can pull. Then the scenario you mentioned should be used for public schools too, who pull kids from outside their attendance zones. As a lot of the top public school football programs, do also typically get more out of attendance zones kids to come in, which gives them similar "competitive" advantage that is being used against private schools with this new plan. As you see some of the top public school teams like Boyle, Beechwood get guys from outside their district. Which even just 5 good players from out of district, can make a big difference. So in Beechwood's case 5 players from outside of district, if you times that by 3 that makes their enrollment go up 15. Which does make a difference and could possibly put them in 3A then. 

A player would have to be living in the school district of the public school in order to be eligible so how could you apply this to a public school?  All kids have to prove residency in the school district they are attending and playing sports at so I don't understand how a public school would have a player playing for them living in another district and still eligible. 

5 minutes ago, RVaughn said:

A player would have to be living in the school district of the public school in order to be eligible so how could you apply this to a public school?  All kids have to prove residency in the school district they are attending and playing sports at so I don't understand how a public school would have a player playing for them living in another district and still eligible. 

The KHSAA rules are the same for all schools.  All Kentucky high schools are permitted to accept students from anywhere in America. Some schools/school districts choose not to, which is a choice, but the rules are the same for all schools. 

15 minutes ago, RVaughn said:

A player would have to be living in the school district of the public school in order to be eligible so how could you apply this to a public school?  All kids have to prove residency in the school district they are attending and playing sports at so I don't understand how a public school would have a player playing for them living in another district and still eligible. 

Plenty of the public schools in the state can and do allow students who reside outside of their geographical school district to attend their schools and play for their athletic teams - and that's perfectly within the law in addition to being completely within the KHSAA's bylaws. Those out-of-district students are paying tuition to attend the schools.

It's literally the exact same way that private schools operate. However, private schools are being penalized for doing it under this new 1.35 multiplier rule, while the public schools are still free to continue doing it without any penalty.

I know Beechwood and Highlands have both allowed out-of-district students to attend via tuition (although they may or may not currently...they have both periodically closed enrollment to out-of-district students at times when they've effectively maxed out their school's capacity). Belfry is another one that accepts out-of-district students. I think Raceland is another. Not sure about Pikeville, Campbellsville, and Mayfield.

9 minutes ago, RVaughn said:

A player would have to be living in the school district of the public school in order to be eligible so how could you apply this to a public school?  All kids have to prove residency in the school district they are attending and playing sports at so I don't understand how a public school would have a player playing for them living in another district and still eligible. 

A player does not have to be living in the district to be eligible, as public schools can have transfers. Especially those who transfers in from out of district heading into their freshman year. Now if a player played a varsity sport, and then transferred without a change in residency then they would be ineligible. However, even then that ruling has been inconsistent by the KHSAA. 

17 minutes ago, RVaughn said:

A player would have to be living in the school district of the public school in order to be eligible so how could you apply this to a public school?  All kids have to prove residency in the school district they are attending and playing sports at so I don't understand how a public school would have a player playing for them living in another district and still eligible. 

Only in the case of a transfer. If you start at a school as a freshman it us up to the school in regards to allowed enrollment.

Edited February 20Feb 20 by theguru

32 minutes ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

It's literally the exact same way that private schools operate. However, private schools are being penalized for doing it under this new 1.35 multiplier rule, while the public schools are still free to continue doing it without any penalty.

This right here is why I would take legal action if I were any of the affected schools.  In short, the KHSAA's basis for the change is meritless because the rules are the same for all schools.

I see this as the KHSAA/Board of Control attacking religion.  At a minimum, I see an anti-Christian bias and I believe an Equal Protection violation. 

5 minutes ago, theguru said:

This right here is why I would take legal action if I were any of the affected schools.  In short, the KHSAA's basis for the change is meritless because the rules are the same for all schools.

I see this as the KHSAA/Board of Control attacking religion.  At a minimum, I see an anti-Christian bias and I believe an Equal Protection violation. 

There is a pundit online who started making this claim about the KHSAA in regards to the Cornerstone district shift... And it seemed ludicrous. BUT, this makes it hard not to paint a picture that there is some bias here. Even if it's unintentional.

For me, the biggest head-shaker? Is that it doesn't affect T or X. Nothing changes for them. Only for the other guys below them. 

5 hours ago, Tigerpride94 said:

CAL and Trinity are also in wealthier part of city so close to people that can afford private school. 

That's smart on their part. 

28 minutes ago, Pi said:

For me, the biggest head-shaker? Is that it doesn't affect T or X. Nothing changes for them. Only for the other guys below them. 

Trinity and CAL are the only two outliers and as we all know, the change does not affect 6A teams/Trinity.

I wish the KHSAA would have went to CAL and said "instead of us (the KHSAA) harming several smaller schools with no legal basis to do so, how about you volunteer to move up to 4A."

I understand that sounds silly to some, but it is better than what is being proposed.