Coach Matney's comments revisited...

[BrewDog]

"We went toe to toe with one of the states premier football powerhouses tonight and held our own. The parochial school get to go out and recruit the states top athletes. Now, if anyone tells you thats fair they're either crazy or a liar. We went up against the best the state has to offer and we held our own. There's no reason.....no reason for anyone on this team to hang their head and think that they're somehow less of a football player or we didn't deserve to be here"

 

Guru,

 

It isn't worth it to fight on-line about what was said or wasn't said, but sometimes you have to say something, just to let those who say such things know, that they are not true.

 

I have received quite a few E-mails from many of the Eagles fans thanking me for my words about being in Paintsville and having a great time. I can only hope if and when (and it will happen one day) we host JC, they can say how nice we treated them, when they come north....

 

However if the Coach said what I have in bold, then I have a problem with it. CovCath like HHS, Beechwood and other great schools don't have to "R". Yes many former Alums, or former Parents, might tell their friends about CovCath and all the advantages to going there both academically and athletically, but the school administration nor staff does nothing wrong at all, in fact they are most probably more careful than most, because of who they are.

 

The "R" allegations and level playing field, and separation stuff is getting mighty old. Just seems funny that no one and I mean no one complained when a certain public school recently got hit with a fine for using an ineligible player. Have that happen to HHS, Beechwood or a Catholic HS, and it is all over BGP's in a heart beat.....

 

I had a great time in Paintsville, was treated like a king, saw a great football game, but if the coach did say what is alleged in bold at the top, he should apologize even if it were said in private. He should talk to a reporter, and either deny or admit to the allegations to end this for once and for all.....

 

The rediculous thing is you don't even know what our coach said or didn't say, yet you insist on making pure speculation almost factual, as evidenced by you highlighting a lie. Its none of your business what our coach says to his players, just like its none of our business what your coach, or you for that matter, say to your's. No matter what a coach says (and he certainly didn't say what you highlighted) to players and parents, he certainly has no obligation to talk to the media and apologize to anyone, and certainly not you, for expressing an opinion. What he said was personal, and intended to stay that way. He wasn't conducting a press conference. He was talking to his players and leading the team prayer as he has done for three years at JC. Speaking of prayer, don't you think your student body should apologize for chanting "God's on our side", in public (not private) during the game?

[Theoldguy]

The rediculous thing is you don't even know what our coach said or didn't say, yet you insist on making pure speculation almost factual, as evidenced by you highlighting a lie. Its none of your business what our coach says to his players, just like its none of our business what your coach, or you for that matter, say to your's. No matter what a coach says (and he certainly didn't say what you highlighted) to players and parents, he certainly has no obligation to talk to the media and apologize to anyone, and certainly not you, for expressing an opinion. What he said was personal, and intended to stay that way. He wasn't conducting a press conference. He was talking to his players and leading the team prayer as he has done for three years at JC. Speaking of prayer, don't you think your student body should apologize for chanting "God's on our side", in public (not private) during the game?

 

Note, God is on our side, as he is on everyones side, nothing wrong with cheering that out loud. I would think that any Pastor would love to hear his church members shouting that out everyday....

 

All I did was react to a statement that was posted on this web site that your coach is alleged to have said that upset me very, very much. It had to be posted by someone close enough to your school to be allowed in this meeting. This person did post it, blame him not me, but if he didn't post it then no one knows about it. If the coach didn't say it, then no foul, but the water has been muddied, and the coach should come clean one way or the other, to put this to an rest.

[CCH86]

The rediculous thing is you don't even know what our coach said or didn't say, yet you insist on making pure speculation almost factual, as evidenced by you highlighting a lie. Its none of your business what our coach says to his players, just like its none of our business what your coach, or you for that matter, say to your's. No matter what a coach says (and he certainly didn't say what you highlighted) to players and parents, he certainly has no obligation to talk to the media and apologize to anyone, and certainly not you, for expressing an opinion. What he said was personal, and intended to stay that way. He wasn't conducting a press conference. He was talking to his players and leading the team prayer as he has done for three years at JC. Speaking of prayer, don't you think your student body should apologize for chanting "God's on our side", in public (not private) during the game?

In case I missed something there is a little difference between a grown man that's a coach making a comment versus 15 and 16 year old kids. Besides if you lost your sense of humor in the last week or so that cheer was OBVIOUSLY very tongue in cheek, a joke in other words. Don't take things so personal from a group of high school kids and certainly don't compare the two.

[BrewDog]

Note, God is on our side, as he is on everyones side, nothing wrong with cheering that out loud. I would think that any Pastor would love to hear his church members shouting that out everyday....

 

All I did was react to a statement that was posted on this web site that your coach is alleged to have said that upset me very, very much. It had to be posted by someone close enough to your school to be allowed in this meeting. This person did post it, blame him not me, but if he didn't post it then no one knows about it. If the coach didn't say it, then no foul, but the water has been muddied, and the coach should come clean one way or the other, to put this to an rest.

 

They didn't say "God's on everyone's side". They said "God's on 'our' [Covington Catholic's] side". They could have said "everyone's", but they didn't, because that's obviously not what they were saying. No one took it personally, or expected the Catholic church to face the media, but its pretty darn offensive and arrogant, and obviously supported by you and everyone else associated with the school in Covington. It was blatantly public too, as part of a celebratory rehearsed (complete with choreography) ritual. Just a little something to chew on before you, or anyone, support a thread like this. I'm trying to defuse it, and think it should be closed. At the risk of having an opinion, its no one's business, and shouldn't have been resurrected in the first place.

[BrewDog]

In case I missed something there is a little difference between a grown man that's a coach making a comment versus 15 and 16 year old kids. Besides if you lost your sense of humor in the last week or so that cheer was OBVIOUSLY very tongue in cheek, a joke in other words. Don't take things so personal from a group of high school kids and certainly don't compare the two.

 

I'm not really comparing the two, just saying those arrogant cheers were in public, and whatever Matney said was very private. There's no comparison. Whatever coach Matney said was a mere opinion, and was directed to a bunch of heart-broken players and a few parents. It has no business being debated, because it wasn't a public statement. But between the one "actual" cheer, and the totally unverified and supposed "comments" (opinions), I know which is much easier to defend. One more thing, coach Matney nor any church I know of would support, or even tacitly support, such a cheer.

[scooterbob]

The truth is that CovCath played completely within the rules. They played on JC's field. They had the usual advantages that go with being a private just as JC had the usual advantages that go with being a public (Do all of JC's players live in rural Johnson County or do some live in Paintsville, etc.?). CovCath won convincingly. The game was not close after CovCath got adjusted. The reason CovCath won is because they were and are the better team. Nonetheless, JC can be proud of what they accomplished.

[BrewDog]

The truth is that CovCath played completely within the rules. They played on JC's field. They had the usual advantages that go with being a private just as JC had the usual advantages that go with being a public (Do all of JC's players live in rural Johnson County or do some live in Paintsville, etc.?). CovCath won convincingly. The game was not close after CovCath got adjusted. The reason CovCath won is because they were and are the better team. Nonetheless, JC can be proud of what they accomplished.

 

I don't think any live in Paintsville, and if one or two do, its only because annexation expanded to them. Regardless, there are no athletes I know of who have transferred from Paintsville to Johnson Central. Too many restrictions.

[BGGreen]

I don't think CovCath "invented" the "God's on our side" cheer!! I've heard it many, many times, by multiple schools' cheering sections, dating back a long time. I believe it's a tongue in cheek reference, to the many times the Catholic schools have been chided over the years for their religious based schools. No offense intended!!

[colonel-fan]

I agree with Tatertot on this one. Even if Matney said that CovCath has an advantage over JC, why does it matter? Most of the coaches in the state agree with that point of view. I don't mind debating the merits of the arguments in general, but to single Matney out seems a bit much.

[Booge]

We still don't know what statement(s) Matney made, OR what the context was.

Therefore, this is a "Let's speculate on Matney" thread. Not fair to the man or his team, IMO.

[BrewDog]

I don't think CovCath "invented" the "God's on our side" cheer!! I've heard it many, many times, by multiple schools' cheering sections, dating back a long time. I believe it's a tongue in cheek reference, to the many times the Catholic schools have been chided over the years for their religious based schools. No offense intended!!

 

None taken, as you can tell. Never was an issue here, although I can see why it would be offensive to other Christians. You've probably also heard many people (at least according to the papers) express an opinion on the public/private issue. Why is an opinion on that issue, by a coach or anyone, such a topic of conversation? I was in the circle of players and fans, and what Coach said is being distorted and assigned meaning which I know was not intended. Its juvenile, and disgusting, and has no business being a thread topic. Just defending my coach, as would anyone who supports and appreciates their coach.

[weasel91]

They didn't say "God's on everyone's side". They said "God's on 'our' [Covington Catholic's] side". They could have said "everyone's", but they didn't, because that's obviously not what they were saying. No one took it personally, or expected the Catholic church to face the media, but its pretty darn offensive and arrogant, and obviously supported by you and everyone else associated with the school in Covington. It was blatantly public too, as part of a celebratory rehearsed (complete with choreography) ritual. Just a little something to chew on before you, or anyone, support a thread like this. I'm trying to defuse it, and think it should be closed. At the risk of having an opinion, its no one's business, and shouldn't have been resurrected in the first place.

Geez, lighten up. I'm a huge Highlands supporter, and even I find the Covcath cheering section quite funny. I didn't know that separation between church and state had to apply to cheers at a football game. Sounds like sour grapes!:devil:

[BrewDog]

I agree with Tatertot on this one. Even if Matney said that CovCath has an advantage over JC, why does it matter? Most of the coaches in the state agree with that point of view. I don't mind debating the merits of the arguments in general, but to single Matney out seems a bit much.

 

Thank you! I have friends at CC I hadn't seen in years, and I'll be in the 'ville supporting you. I just can't tolerate people with an agenda blasting a man I (and we) care so much about. Like I said, a coach addressing his team, especially in that emotional situation with so much on the line, should be able to console his players without this kind of nonsense. Thanks again, and beat BG worse so we can at least brag about that!!

[BrewDog]

Geez, lighten up. I'm a huge Highlands supporter, and even I find the Covcath cheering section quite funny. I didn't know that separation between church and state had to apply to cheers at a football game. Sounds like sour grapes!:devil:

 

This isn't about the stupid cheer. Its about an attack on Coach Matney. Jeez...follow the thread.

[BGGreen]

None taken, as you can tell. Never was an issue here, although I can see why it would be offensive to other Christians. You've probably also heard many people (at least according to the papers) express an opinion on the public/private issue. Why is an opinion on that issue, by a coach or anyone, such a topic of conversation? I was in the circle of players and fans, and what Coach said is being distorted and assigned meaning which I know was not intended. Its juvenile, and disgusting, and has no business being a thread topic. Just defending my coach, as would anyone who supports and appreciates their coach.

 

Hopefully this was all blown out of proportion, and he didn't use those references. I'm just really tired of constantly hearing "It's not my fault, if my Mom didn't miss my first grade play; I'd have never become an ax murderer"!!