October 10, 20178 yr Eli rarely gets in the playoffs too so....... Eli has made the playoffs 6 times and is 8-, 2800 yards, 18 TD, 9 INT, 87.4 rating Ben has made it 9 times, and is 13-7, 4700 yards, 25 TD, 23 INT, 84.3 rating.
October 10, 20178 yr And since playoffs matter so much, Drew Brees has only made it 6 times and is 6-5. Rodgers 9 times is 10-7. Romo...4 times and was 2-4.
October 10, 20178 yr The 2 most overrated QB's of all time: Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman. Not even close. Both were merely a product of the players around them. Put them on an average team and they are Andy Dalton. Eh not really. Those qbs at least won big games with the talent around him. Dalton folds in big games in prime time or playoffs or big moments in general. Even talented teams need qbs who can make plays in big moments. While those qbs benefited greatly because of the talent around them. They also contributed by making big time plays when it mattered most. Dalton with or without talent around him doesn't do that in big moments. So I do think you are selling those two qbs short with your comparison to Dalton.
October 10, 20178 yr Eh not really. Those qbs at least won big games with the talent around him. Dalton folds in big games in prime time or playoffs or big moments in general. Even talented teams need qbs who can make plays in big moments. While those qbs benefited greatly because of the talent around them. They also contributed by making big time plays when it mattered most. Dalton with or without talent around him doesn't do that in big moments. So I do think you are selling those two qbs short with your comparison to Dalton. You're being a little to analytical also how many HOFer's did Bradshaw and Aikman play with? How many has AD played with? 1.
October 10, 20178 yr Author Eli has more TDs, yards, and has been better in the playoffs. Ben was awful in his first Superbowl run. Without Eli, the Giants dont make the playoffs in 2011, much less win it all. As good as Aaron Rodgers, and Brees are, they haven't won multiple super bowls. That goes a long way. Eli winning two Superbowls will get him into the HoF...Kurt Warner is two plays from winning three Superbowls (with the horrible franchises Rams and Cardinals) and I wouldn't put him above Rodgers either. Brees completes 10% more of his passes and in just 31 more games has thrown for 28,000 more yards and 115 more TDs than Eli. Brees playoff stats are better too. Eli or anyone not named Brady playing today is in the conversation with Rodgers. Eli has larger career numbers than Rodgers because he has played in 59 more games. Rogers has better per game numbers across the board and has been in the playoffs more often as well as having over 104 Career QBR compared to Eli's of 83.9, which is very good...just not at Rodgers level. I don't hate Eli, I really like him...he's just not Top 10 IMO.
October 10, 20178 yr Author One way to look at the best of the best is how many times was a QB considered the BEST in the League for a particular season. 1st Team All-Pro goes to one QB per season. Here is everyone that has won one since 1970. [TABLE=width: 420] [TR] [TD]Rank[/TD] [TD]Player[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1st Team All-Pro[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]1[/TD] [TD]Peyton Manning[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 7[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]Brett Favre*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]Dan Marino*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]Joe Montana*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]Steve Young*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]Tom Brady[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]Dan Fouts*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]Rich Gannon[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]Bob Griese*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]Aaron Rodgers[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]Kurt Warner*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Ken Anderson[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Terry Bradshaw*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Drew Brees[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]John Brodie[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Randall Cunningham[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Boomer Esiason[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]John Hadl[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Bert Jones[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Jim Kelly*[/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Earl Morrall[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Cam Newton[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Matt Ryan[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Brian Sipe[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Ken Stabler*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Fran Tarkenton*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Joe Theismann[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
October 10, 20178 yr The only name on the list I even close to have an issue with is Warner. He only played a full season 3 times (and 15 games one other time), and only had 3 (IMO) great seasons and only 3 other really good seasons. At first thought, I'd put Kelly on the list in his place, but while Kelly had good numbers, and was very consistent, numbers wise, he only had maybe one great season. He had a bunch of good years, but statistically he wasn't as good as I remembered. Statistically, Fouts probably belongs, but his lack of playoff success (and even appearances) makes it hard for me to elevate him to the list. Two guys who are probably just outside the top 10, but deserve mention, are Donovan McNabb, and Randall Cunningham. Warner is a HOFer
October 10, 20178 yr One way to look at the best of the best is how many times was a QB considered the BEST in the League for a particular season. 1st Team All-Pro goes to one QB per season. Here is everyone that has won one since 1970. [TABLE=width: 420] [TR] [TD]Rank[/TD] [TD]Player[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1st Team All-Pro[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]1[/TD] [TD]Peyton Manning[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 7[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]Brett Favre*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]Dan Marino*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]Joe Montana*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]Steve Young*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]Tom Brady[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]Dan Fouts*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]Rich Gannon[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]Bob Griese*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]Aaron Rodgers[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]Kurt Warner*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Ken Anderson[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Terry Bradshaw*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Drew Brees[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]John Brodie[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Randall Cunningham[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Boomer Esiason[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]John Hadl[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Bert Jones[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Jim Kelly*[/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Earl Morrall[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Cam Newton[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Matt Ryan[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Brian Sipe[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Ken Stabler*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Fran Tarkenton*[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]Joe Theismann[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD] 1[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] I disagree, simply because how many times did Manning just barely edge out Rodgers, Brees, and Brady? It's great to compare for individual years. But by this logic Dan Fouts and Bob Griese are on the same level with Brady and Rodgers which just isn't logical IMO.
October 10, 20178 yr Author I disagree, simply because how many times did Manning just barely edge out Rodgers, Brees, and Brady? It's great to compare for individual years. But by this logic Dan Fouts and Bob Griese are on the same level with Brady and Rodgers which just isn't logical IMO. Griese played in a completely different era, no comparing those guys really to today. Fouts had as much arm talent as anyone on the list and was the true Granddaddy to today's QBs. If Fouts played today he'd be at the top with Brady and Rodgers, he was that good. How do you know Manning barely edged anyone, if you have the vote totals that's fine. How many times did one of them barely beat Manning out?
October 10, 20178 yr Author Here is a listing of every QB that has won the AP NFL MVP Award 1959 Johnny Unitas 1960 Norm Van Brocklin 1963 Y. A. Tittle 1964 Johnny Unitas (2) 1966 Bart Starr 1967 Johnny Unitas (3) 1968 Earl Morrall 1969 Roman Gabriel 1970 John Brodie 1974 Ken Stabler 1975 Fran Tarkenton 1976 Bert Jones 1978 Terry Bradshaw 1980 Brian Sipe 1981 Ken Anderson 1983 Joe Theismann 1984 Dan Marino 1987 John Elway 1988 Boomer Esiason 1989 Joe Montana 1990 Joe Montana (2) 1992 Steve Young 1994 Steve Young (2) 1995 Brett Favre 1996 Brett Favre (2) 1997 Brett Favre (3) 1999 Kurt Warner 2001 Kurt Warner (2) 2002 Rich Gannon 2003 Peyton Manning Steve McNair 2004 Peyton Manning (2) 2007 Tom Brady 2008 Peyton Manning (3) 2009 Peyton Manning (4) 2010 Tom Brady (2) 2011 Aaron Rodgers 2013 Peyton Manning (5) 2014 Aaron Rodgers (2) 2015 Cam Newton 2016 Matt Ryan
October 10, 20178 yr Griese played in a completely different era, no comparing those guys really to today. Fouts had as much arm talent as anyone on the list and was the true Granddaddy to today's QBs. If Fouts played today he'd be at the top with Brady and Rodgers, he was that good. How do you know Manning barely edged anyone, if you have the vote totals that's fine. How many times did one of them barely beat Manning out? You can't compare eras at all really based on this list. If you put Brady on a team in the 70's hes first team every year. Same with the other 3 I listed Manning, Rodgers, and Brees. With regards to vote totals I don't have those, but I'm sure I could, that's not my point. My point was that if one of those other 3 guys won MVP one of those years, would it have really been something to question? IMO you're splitting hairs discussing the individual year to year greatness of Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers.
October 10, 20178 yr Author You can't compare eras at all really based on this list. If you put Brady on a team in the 70's hes first team every year. Same with the other 3 I listed Manning, Rodgers, and Brees. With regards to vote totals I don't have those, but I'm sure I could, that's not my point. My point was that if one of those other 3 guys won MVP one of those years, would it have really been something to question? IMO you're splitting hairs discussing the individual year to year greatness of Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers. When they are that good, splitting hairs is the only way to separate them...IMO
October 10, 20178 yr When they are that good, splitting hairs is the only way to separate them...IMO Fair enough.
October 10, 20178 yr Names that stand out to me: - Montana - Young - Marino - Elway - P. Manning - Brady - Favre - Rodgers - Brees - Aikman Also thought of Flutie, Warren, Moon, Kelly and Vick
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