KHSAA 3 proposals that will be taken to the BOE

[ladiesbballcoach]

http://www.khsaa.org/news/20052006/nr033006.pdf

 

The three proposals deal with Financial Aid (Proposal 1), Transfer after representing a member

school below grade nine (Proposal 2) and Territory and Feeder Pattern definition (Proposal 3).

 

Links on website for each proposal.

[ladiesbballcoach]

Proposal 2

PROPOSAL 2- BELOW GRADE NINE PROPOSAL - March 17, 2006

f:\currentissuescommittee\task force\taskforceproposals\final proposals\belowgradenineproposal.doc

Rationale – This proposal is designed to lessen the “Open Season” on rising 9th graders. In many 1 any areas, when students have participated at the high school level while being enrolled below grade nine, there can be a climate for nearly college level “recruiting” of the kids before and upon 8th grade graduation. This change would clarify that if students participate at any level at a KHSAA member school while enrolled below grade nine, they shall enroll in that member school or lose one year of eligibility at all levels in all sports and a second year at the varsity level. This change is basically a return the transfer rule to its pre-1982 form when Bylaw 6 applied any time a student had represented a member school. The proposal rule is more stringent in that it applies to all levels of play and applies longer than a one-year penalty.

[ladiesbballcoach]

Proposal 3. Do I read this correct that public schools will have established boundaries and would limit open enrollment schools?

 

Rationale – This proposal would define athletic territories for KHSAA member schools. Students within the athletic territory of the school would be permitted to attend the member school without athletic eligibility restrictions provided the student is otherwise eligible. Students outside the territory would face a loss of eligibility at all levels of play for the first year at the school and at the varsity level for the second year. This proposal would codify an affiliated school / feeder pattern determination as a means of restricting eligibility and attempting to make equivalent the “drawing areas” for non-public schools and the school district boundaries of public schools.

[BIGZIG]

All 3 should be approved IMO but I doubt any of the 3 will..Too bad.

[ladiesbballcoach]

Proposal 1

 

Rationale – This proposal would codify previous interpretations and restrictions regarding financial aid in KHSAA member schools to attempt to have all schools on the same level with regards to selection, acceptance and continuance of enrollment by the student body. This proposal codified previous interpretations and attempts to eliminate perceptions about advantages gained by schools awarding financial aid. NOTE: The current Bylaw 7 would become a section under Bylaw 9.

[ladiesbballcoach]

From the last link on the first link,

 

After its initial review of the report of the first meeting of the Task Force, the Kentucky Board of Education by letter from Chairman Keith Travis to Commissioner DeVries, directed the Association to finalize the meetings of the Task Force, and attempt to agree on proposals to be submitted to the KHSAA Board of Control for review. The subsequent meeting was held on February 20, 2006 and the Task Force, by general consensus and through the facilitator, Justice James Keller, proposed significant changes in

subject areas 1 and 2 above, and such was reported to the KHSAA Board of Control at a special meeting. There was not consensus on item 3 from the Task Force, and two alternative solutions were submitted to the Board of Control for review. Subject area 4, compliance, involves a myriad of undetermined rule changes, and as of yet, final proposals have not been

formulated.

 

The KHSAA Board of Control met on March 6 at the offices in Lexington and from that meeting, finalized three proposals addressing these subject areas. On subject area 3, the defining of an athletic territory for prospective student-athletes, the Board chose to endorse the proposal put forth by the representatives of the public schools which correlates ninth grade eligibility and the type of school attended in grades 7 and 8.

 

In attempting to comply with the aggressive timetable called for by Chairman Travis’ correspondence, the Board also met again on March 17, 2006 to discuss the issues. By a vote of 15-2, the Board of Control approved the proposed amendments to KHSAA bylaws and to request that the Kentucky Board of Education approve these changes through the regulatory process within the structure of 702 KAR 7:065. The three proposals, dealing with Financial Aid (Attachment “A”), Transfer after representing a member school below grade nine (Attachment“B”) and Territory and Feeder Pattern definition (Attachment “C”) are attached.

[50inarow]

All 3 should be approved IMO but I doubt any of the 3 will..Too bad.

 

:dancingpa :dancingpa

[ladiesbballcoach]

Runfirst, If all the proposals are defeated and the concerns have the publics has been washed aside, should the publics just leave the KHSAA and start their own organization?

[Bert]

Runfirst, If all the proposals are defeated and the concerns have the publics has been washed aside, should the publics just leave the KHSAA and start their own organization?

 

Maybe some will. I doubt the Male's, Highlands', Danville's, Beechwood's, and Mayfield's of the state would leave though.

[ladiesbballcoach]

Maybe some will. I doubt the Male's, Highlands', Danville's, Beechwood's, and Mayfield's of the state would leave though.

That would be a real interesting next step and might end up creating the 2nd class that Prop 20 was seeking. The next year and how this plays out should be interesting.

[Tough as Nails]

Proposal 2

PROPOSAL 2- BELOW GRADE NINE PROPOSAL - March 17, 2006

f:\currentissuescommittee\task force\taskforceproposals\final proposals\belowgradenineproposal.doc

Rationale – This proposal is designed to lessen the “Open Season” on rising 9th graders. In many 1 any areas, when students have participated at the high school level while being enrolled below grade nine, there can be a climate for nearly college level “recruiting” of the kids before and upon 8th grade graduation. This change would clarify that if students participate at any level at a KHSAA member school while enrolled below grade nine, they shall enroll in that member school or lose one year of eligibility at all levels in all sports and a second year at the varsity level. This change is basically a return the transfer rule to its pre-1982 form when Bylaw 6 applied any time a student had represented a member school. The proposal rule is more stringent in that it applies to all levels of play and applies longer than a one-year penalty.

Here is the actual language of the proposal:

 

Bylaw 6. Transfer Rule Sec. 1] Domestic Students

Any student who has been enrolled in grades nine [9] through twelve [12] and has participated in any varsity game in any sport at any school following enrollment in grade nine [9] and who then transfers schools shall be ineligible for interscholastic athletics at any level in any sport for one year from the date of enrollment in the new school. Any student who has participated in a contest at any level in any sport representing a member school while being enrolled in grades seven [7] or eight [8] and who then enrolls at a different member school [grade nine or above] shall be ineligible for interscholastic athletics at any level in any sport for the first year of enrollment, and ineligible to participate in interscholastic athletics at the varsity level in any sport during the second year of enrollment at the member school.

The Commissioner has discretion [but is not required] to waive the period of ineligibility set forth above if one of the following exceptions has been met. Determinations of whether a student shall be granted a waiver pursuant to this rule shall be based on the circumstances existing as of the date of enrollment at the new school. The KHSAA shall not recognize as grounds for a waiver of the period of ineligibility an argument that the educational needs of the transferring students would be better served through a transfer.

 

f) NON ATHLETIC PARTICIPATION FOR AN ENTIRE SCHOOL YEAR - In the event that the transferring student did not participate in an interscholastic contest at any level in any sport while enrolled in grades nine through twelve at the sending school during the entire academic school year immediately preceding the change in schools.

 

It sounds like if a student has not participated in sports for a high school that they are still free to transfer to any school inbetween 8th and 9th grade and be immediately eligible. Is this how everyone else reads this?

[Tough as Nails]

Interesting read on Proposal 3. Schools that end at 7th or 8th grade are not affected. The child is free to go to any public school within the county in which they reside or to any private school in the zone of the student's residence.

 

Sounds like they have taken care of the concern of the Louisville schools and the small Catholic schools that are only primary schools.

[Tough as Nails]

These proposals seem to be ok. I don't see them affecting many students unless I have misinterpreted the second proposal. If the proposal affects all students in a school and not just the ones that have played on a freshman, JV or Varsity team as a 7th or 8th grader, then I don't agree with the proposal.

 

My question is though, does one minute in one game at any level constitute participation or is it just practicing with the high school teams? Seems that a coach would try to lock in as many good athletes as they could by playing them a minimal amount.

[ladiesbballcoach]

Here is the actual language of the proposal:

 

Bylaw 6. Transfer Rule Sec. 1] Domestic Students

Any student who has been enrolled in grades nine [9] through twelve [12] and has participated in any varsity game in any sport at any school following enrollment in grade nine [9] and who then transfers schools shall be ineligible for interscholastic athletics at any level in any sport for one year from the date of enrollment in the new school. Any student who has participated in a contest at any level in any sport representing a member school while being enrolled in grades seven [7] or eight [8] and who then enrolls at a different member school [grade nine or above] shall be ineligible for interscholastic athletics at any level in any sport for the first year of enrollment, and ineligible to participate in interscholastic athletics at the varsity level in any sport during the second year of enrollment at the member school.

The Commissioner has discretion [but is not required] to waive the period of ineligibility set forth above if one of the following exceptions has been met. Determinations of whether a student shall be granted a waiver pursuant to this rule shall be based on the circumstances existing as of the date of enrollment at the new school. The KHSAA shall not recognize as grounds for a waiver of the period of ineligibility an argument that the educational needs of the transferring students would be better served through a transfer.

 

f) NON ATHLETIC PARTICIPATION FOR AN ENTIRE SCHOOL YEAR - In the event that the transferring student did not participate in an interscholastic contest at any level in any sport while enrolled in grades nine through twelve at the sending school during the entire academic school year immediately preceding the change in schools.

 

It sounds like if a student has not participated in sports for a high school that they are still free to transfer to any school inbetween 8th and 9th grade and be immediately eligible. Is this how everyone else reads this?

Yes for me. This was a proposal back in October that was defeated.

[ladiesbballcoach]

These proposals seem to be ok. I don't see them affecting many students unless I have misinterpreted the second proposal. If the proposal affects all students in a school and not just the ones that have played on a freshman, JV or Varsity team as a 7th or 8th grader, then I don't agree with the proposal.

 

My question is though, does one minute in one game at any level constitute participation or is it just practicing with the high school teams? Seems that a coach would try to lock in as many good athletes as they could by playing them a minimal amount.

One minute counts from my understanding. In fact, one second would count.