I look for one of these to no longer be on this list come July.

 

Which one?

Estill County hasn't been open in 3A either. Well, Jones did step down, another coach was hired who eventually had to resign due to health reasons but Jones came back, so I don't think you can really say that Estill was open

Hearing Pendleton Co. could be filled by the end of the day.

 

What's the word in Pendleton?

Estill did have a coaching change, though, which is what HD was listing.

2A that hasn't had a change.

Caldwell

O'Cath

Walton-Verona

Prestonsburg

Bardstown

Betsy Layne

Crittenden

Somerset

Owen County

Cov. Holy Cross

 

Gallatin hasn't had a change.

Gallatin hasn't had a change.

 

Good call there. Now this one I actually had down, failed to make it over to the list. Thanks fbfan.

What's the word in Pendleton?

 

Can confirm a Coach has been hired. I have the name, but not releasing it yet. The team has not been informed yet, and we feel they deserve to be the first to know.

Thanks Harry, one of the things that jumps out and I do not have accurate numbers in front of me but from following football MOST of these teams have been quite successful. Maybe loyalty, consistency and longevity might have something to do with this and the fact they have built their programs and kept them sustained. KUDOS to these schools administrators for doing this.

 

21 years coaching as a volunteer. Baseball, basketball, and football. 2/3 rds of those years a head coach. I can say that Kentucky has a serious leadership problem in the area of HS football. Jimmy Reed was very active and led a pretty good coaches association for many years but it has faded away. The young generation has a "me" first attitude. Selling everything and anything to supplement their income, not focused on the kids well being and success. How can a coach speak of commitment when they are gone at the drop of a hat for many different reasons. Some not of their choosing but many moving on in their careers. The game is no longer understood and is looked at by many as a "Gladiator Sport", one that many feel should just go away. For those of us who love the game, believes that coached correctly it creates men of high character and work ethic. This is scary. Credentials should be established for head coaches, they should be required to be adhered to, and pay should meet the standards necessary to motivate top people to get into coaching. Some schools are running programs weaker than junior league programs I have been involved with. I wish there was hope of fixing this issue but odds are 100 to 1 it will get worse. The issue, unknowing administration using the available dollars for everything but improving football.

 

PS: For all the education first people out there, Kentucky is in the bottom 20% of that process as well. Same administration runs that process as well.

21 years coaching as a volunteer. Baseball, basketball, and football. 2/3 rds of those years a head coach. I can say that Kentucky has a serious leadership problem in the area of HS football. Jimmy Reed was very active and led a pretty good coaches association for many years but it has faded away. The young generation has a "me" first attitude. Selling everything and anything to supplement their income, not focused on the kids well being and success. How can a coach speak of commitment when they are gone at the drop of a hat for many different reasons. Some not of their choosing but many moving on in their careers. The game is no longer understood and is looked at by many as a "Gladiator Sport", one that many feel should just go away. For those of us who love the game, believes that coached correctly it creates men of high character and work ethic. This is scary. Credentials should be established for head coaches, they should be required to be adhered to, and pay should meet the standards necessary to motivate top people to get into coaching. Some schools are running programs weaker than junior league programs I have been involved with. I wish there was hope of fixing this issue but odds are 100 to 1 it will get worse. The issue, unknowing administration using the available dollars for everything but improving football.

 

PS: For all the education first people out there, Kentucky is in the bottom 20% of that process as well. Same administration runs that process as well.

 

I unlike this. Couple of good points but coach you lose all credibility when you run the new generation of coaches down. These guys are fighting with all they have to develop programs and provide for their own families. Just a reminder this is a job that takes them away from their loved ones. Now add to the fact schools want teachers now and rarely create positions for young coaches. They make the same or less than their predecessors (my old school paid nearly double to my hs head coach about 20 years ago than the same position today) and the sport is way more complicated today.

 

So the young guy makes it a couple years and well 20 years ago they promote him to asst principal. Heck why not he's good with at least 40-80 kids in the building, BUT today many schools won't allow coaches to move up the ladder, so our young coach has a choice to make. Continue coaching making the same 5 grand that takes away from his family all the while Jim bob ag teacher gets the asst principal job and moves on up, Or he can move on to another school that may offer a little better situation for coaches.

 

Coaches only take this job for the love of the game for anybody to suggest otherwise is:poop:

Hellcats...I think you are taking it personal...he is saying as a general rule the young generation is a me culture...if you look at it he is right...he is right because that is the environment that the administration and parents are fostering for the coaches. If you don't take care of you first who will...not the administration and certainly not the parents.

Hellcats...I think you are taking it personal...he is saying as a general rule the young generation is a me culture...if you look at it he is right...he is right because that is the environment that the administration and parents are fostering for the coaches. If you don't take care of you first who will...not the administration and certainly not the parents.

 

i don't think that is here yet. I don't think coaches are doing the ill get you before you get me. Administration is there but coaches aren't. Numbers reflect that.

 

The rate of turnover is unheard of.

Let me qualify myself. I am a former high school head coach, varsity assistant, coordinator, and even middle school helper. I coached and taught for 10 years here in the great state of KY. I have coached in the rural wilds of western KY in a school of 400 to the multicultural areas of Central KY in a school with 1600. I think its fair to say I have been around the sport and the state a bit. I think today we can see a huge lack of loyalty on all sides. It has started in the NFL, NCAA, and trickled its way down. This lack of loyalty stems from the what have you done for ME lately mindset. I think there is a perfect storm of circumstances that have changed the game, coaching, and the values that are present in High-school football.

Parents aren't loyal to schools (shopping their kids from place to place)

Parents do not have realistic expectations when it comes to program development, athletes talent level, and what it truly takes to WIN on a big Level

Administrators expect coaches to make chicken salad out of chicken feathers....budgets, staffing, fund raising, program administration, dealing with unrealistic parents, etc.....

Coaches develop a me first mentality out of necessity. I feel that if the coaches dont look out for themselves first no one else (well very few will)

 

There is little trust and loyalty in the entire system and many of the participants (admin, parents, and some athletes, do not know the price to succeed at a high level and if they do know that price they say they are willing to pay it but lack the guts to actually belly up and pay the price!!!)

 

So all of these factors lead to ZERO loyalty, and almost everyone is looking out for themselves rather than whats best for the PROGRAM and the Kids! Thanks for reading my opinion and slight rant.

i don't think that is here yet. I don't think coaches are doing the ill get you before you get me. Administration is there but coaches aren't. Numbers reflect that.

 

The rate of turnover is unheard of.

 

I understand both and realize as a coach for 25+ years. I work in a district that paid the Head Coach before me 18% of salary which in the 80's was around 17,000. I do not know many coaches that have a supplement of over $10,000.00 today. Young coaches trying to provide for families has become very difficult and those that have been around awhile might be raising grand kids. The entire landscape of coaching has changed and if districts do not fix this problem then the kids will suffer even more.

I understand both and realize as a coach for 25+ years. I work in a district that paid the Head Coach before me 18% of salary which in the 80's was around 17,000. I do not know many coaches that have a supplement of over $10,000.00 today. Young coaches trying to provide for families has become very difficult and those that have been around awhile might be raising grand kids. The entire landscape of coaching has changed and if districts do not fix this problem then the kids will suffer even more.

 

Great points Option.

 

To top it all, I know job that was recently filled where the entire pool of money for the assistant coaching pay was $9,000. 9 freaking thousand bucks...not for one assistant, not to spread amongst a couple coaches, but to try and outfit an entire staff.

 

Hellcats,

 

I 2nd the comment about head coaching pay. I know of a couple places, where it hasn't changed in the last 20 years (one is over 20 years).

 

(To anybody reading this, spare me the "you don't coach for the money" comments. While it's known that you aren't going to get rich doing this at the high school level here in KY, it is nice knowing that you are getting compensated just a bit for your time. Anybody that says different is lying their tails off for the sake of looking good. What bothers me the most about the pay is, what if that reflected the rest of the job world?)

Edited February 27, 201511 yr by Harry Doyle

Harry, Coached 15 seasons at same school. Head Coach/Assistant pay way $12,200 total, no full-time coaches just para-professionals. Furthermore, have been slightly competitive and AD had bright idea to get us into bowl games so it would be like having 7 Home games. One bowl paid around 3,500, and the other bowl paid around 2,700. While this sounds good monetarily we were always out manned and out class sized by 3 to 4 class sizes. I got a pat on the back and told well you all were competitive and that is what it is all about. One year we played a team from another state that dressed 62 Juniors and Seniors total. We only dress 40 total 9-12. I lost 2 key players for the season and my parents of those two players have never forgiven me. Once again this is what many coaches are falling victim to. We need the money so sacrifice your players, so we can run our athletic programs. Oh by the way make sure you win at least 6 games. This is why I do not want young coaches to think they are the only one's getting jerked around, everyone is in a similar boat. The tenure thing is another issue. If you have gotten tenure in one district as an assistant, then you may want to stay. It is very hard to move today for a head coaching position if you think you may not be able to get or keep tenure or have tenure at one district and if you move then it takes two years to get it in the other district. Risky for a young coaches family.