(To anybody reading this, spare me the "you don't coach for the money" comments. While it's known that you aren't going to get rich doing this at the high school level here in KY, it is nice knowing that you are getting compensated just a bit for your time. Anybody that says different is lying their tails off for the sake of looking good. What bothers me the most about the pay is, what if that reflected the rest of the job world?)

 

 

Someone on here did the math...something like $20 day for the head coach, and well we know that would be $5 or so for assts. They obviously don't do it for the money! :no:

 

It's almost disrespectful to suggest they do; these guys who sacrifice so much and make such a huge impact.

My take home after taxes every two weeks for being an AD was roughly $150 a check.

Someone on here did the math...something like $20 day for the head coach, and well we know that would be $5 or so for assts. They obviously don't do it for the money! :no:

 

It's almost disrespectful to suggest they do; these guys who sacrifice so much and make such a huge impact.

 

Agree.

 

That was meant in the contexts of the reasons why many are getting out. The world says, "You don't coach for the money." No...you don't, but it comes a point in time that a lot of men and women (it's a problem in all sports across the board) finally ask themselves, 'Is all of this time, effort and stress really worth it?'. So, in many cases, the $$$ does play a factor.

 

....probably should have worded that original statement a little different.

My take home after taxes every two weeks for being an AD was roughly $150 a check.

 

If only people really knew.....

 

They are every bit as important as most all administrators in the building. Why AD's aren't paid at least the same as AP's, I have no idea. Well, I know why...Heaven forbid what some might think.

I remember a coach a few years back that kept a log of his hours from July10-June 25 and he made less than 4 dollars per hour, not including not being reimbursed on mileage related to the job, and taking kids on recruiting visits. That time includes off-season, field maintenance, lifting competitions, recruiting visits, and everything else...but how is this an acceptable way wage for anyone, and furthermore the demands are increasing with the win or you're out mentality. I would argue it's a blessing for some of these coaches to be forced into resigning when they were taking a loss in so many ways. I understand the intrinsic value of coaching young men, and knowing that if not for you the likely hood of success for some was slim to none...and you can't put a value on it. From the outside looking in, coaches are demanded to devote far more time now than 15 years ago and in most cases pay has not increased, and may have even decreased in some schools. The big issue I see with all of this...some of these jobs may not get filled by someone in a school system. Para-pro's are going to start filling the shoes of the Head Coach on a grand level. That is REALLY negative for the culture that surrounds a school and program.

I understand both and realize as a coach for 25+ years. I work in a district that paid the Head Coach before me 18% of salary which in the 80's was around 17,000. I do not know many coaches that have a supplement of over $10,000.00 today. Young coaches trying to provide for families has become very difficult and those that have been around awhile might be raising grand kids. The entire landscape of coaching has changed and if districts do not fix this problem then the kids will suffer even more.

 

Not sure about your math here...that would mean a salary of $17,000 = 18% of a salary would mean that your salary was $94,444

 

18% of a $50,000 salary (which didn't exist for TEACHERS with anything under 20+ years teaching in the 1980's, if that) would still only be $9,000 on top of the $50,000.

Not sure about your math here...that would mean a salary of $17,000 = 18% of a salary would mean that your salary was $94,444

 

I think he's saying the guy's salary was $17,000 and he got an 18% stipend. That stipend (18%) would be $3,060 added to $17,000 for a total teaching/coaching salary of $20,060.

I think he's saying the guy's salary was $17,000 and he got an 18% stipend. That stipend (18%) would be $3,060 added to $17,000 for a total teaching/coaching salary of $20,060.

 

Ok, that makes considerable more sense...but most jobs now a-days pay around 18% actually. A $10,000 salary for the vast majority of teachers in KY would be between 20-25%.

Great points Option.

 

To top it all, I know job that was recently filled where the entire pool of money for the assistant coaching pay was $9,000. 9 freaking thousand bucks...not for one assistant, not to spread amongst a couple coaches, but to try and outfit an entire staff.

 

Hellcats,

 

I 2nd the comment about head coaching pay. I know of a couple places, where it hasn't changed in the last 20 years (one is over 20 years).

 

(To anybody reading this, spare me the "you don't coach for the money" comments. While it's known that you aren't going to get rich doing this at the high school level here in KY, it is nice knowing that you are getting compensated just a bit for your time. Anybody that says different is lying their tails off for the sake of looking good. What bothers me the most about the pay is, what if that reflected the rest of the job world?)

 

EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hellcats, in no way was I trying to put down any individual coach and as slinging sammy stated was more about the culture that exists currently. I read your statements and feel we are in agreement that pay is too low, the administration is lost, and most programs are in trouble. There are exceptions in many cases, and that is good. My point was and is we need to focus on this, an environment that rewards and encourages those good young coaches to develop themselves and rewards them is mandatory! An 85% success rate in KY HS football would deliver rewards to the 40 to 60 young men in the programs that are basically "priceless". Most comments in this tread are in agreement I think!

Since I consider myself one of the young coaches being talked about, I will share.

 

I'm in my 7th year of teaching, almost 30 yrs old. I've been coaching football that entire time, as a position coach and coordinator. I have coached on a state championship team. I played football at the small college level.

 

I firmly believe that my job is first and foremost to be the best educator I can be. However I am very passionate about football and know the benefits of playing as well as the benefits of some kids needing that structure and positive adult role models. I don't expect to make my living solely from coaching at the high school level, but it is not fair to my wife and children to miss spending time with them for free.

 

When talking about the "me" culture, I will say I have coached at 4 different schools during those 7 yrs (though I've taught at the same school the entire time). I have moved around because I have sought out opportunities to coach with well respected coaches to learn how to be a better coach and different schemes and philosophies. I have moved to become a coordinator and prove I can implement and teach my system, and I have moved to see exactly what it takes to win a state championship.

 

I would think those would all be things that would show I am dedicated to my profession and am trying to build the skills and experience to be a quality head coach. I have interviewed for a couple head jobs and I have been frustrated when I feel like most of the time my teaching and coaching experience were the least important requirements. I was passed over for a principal's best man, a coach with no experience but was an alum of the school, a coach that only coached middle school but the middle school principal moved to the high school and several more. I was once laughed at in an interview when I talked about having high expectations for all kids and the person doing the interview didn't understand why I was serious. Unfortunately not everyone understands what it takes to build and maintain a successful program and I remain unwavering about what I would do because I have seen what works best for all kids.

 

So I will continue moving around to build the experience necessary to hopefully one day become a head coach. I have applied for one of the jobs still open on this list and hope to hear something soon. If given the opportunity I plan to stay as long as they will have me, I want to build a program that I would want my own sons to be a part of. If not, then I will keep looking for the next opportunity to grow as a teacher and coach and if that makes me part of the selfish culture so be it.

I have said this before and will say it again. Half of the admin have no idea what they doing in there job of leading a school and 90% of them have no idea about sports much less football. Back in the day Prin and Sups where old coaches that knew first and foremost how to run something and motivate people, NOW they are English and Biology teachers whom had the time to go get their admin degree. Coaches are to busy working their butt off to go to back college. If you want to lead an army go get a general and unfortunately coaches are not getting those jobs, Privates are!!!! Talk about pay for coaches, I was talking with my old high school coach the other and he told me that the pay at my high school for asst is the same it was 30 some years ago. Also in the early 80's he told me the football budget was over 20,000 and said the coach that is there now told him the it is 13,000 today!!!! It is a shame for a sport that at most places takes care of the other sports with the gate. I think the coaches association needs to raise cane about coaching pay.

Owensboro will name a new head coach tomorrow at 3.

Owensboro will name a new head coach tomorrow at 3.

 

The named Jay Fallin the new head coach. He's been an assistant at Owensboro for 5 years. At 28 years old, he's a youngster for a head coach.

Can confirm a Coach has been hired. I have the name, but not releasing it yet. The team has not been informed yet, and we feel they deserve to be the first to know.

@LCDAWGS19, any word on who the coach is, or an announcement date?

Edited March 1, 201511 yr by Colonels_Wear_Blue