"Take your endorsement and shove it Mr. President," Rhode Island governor

[ladiesbballcoach]

http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1010/caprio_backlash_f0fc1fde-2028-4b64-9e2a-ad1a76b080af.html

My understanding is that Obama is not looking to endorse Caprio and by including him in any events would give that indication or force him to actually say where he stands on that issue," one source told POLITICO. "I have also heard that Caprio is upset that the DCCC did it's big Rhode Island event at the home of a family who are very vocal and active supporters of Chafee. In many circles in Rhode Island, Chafee is seen as more of a Dem and a progressive than Caprio, who people often joke is a Republican in Democrats' clothing."

 

 

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44118.html

Rhode Island's Democratic gubernatorial nominee said President Obama can "shove" his endorsement amid an ugly intraparty squabble that has Democrats buzzing that the commander in chief is showing too little loyalty to his own party.

 

Obama, showing deference to Republican-turned-independent Lincoln Chafee, is refusing to endorse Democrat Frank Caprio, even as he travels to the smallest state to do a fundraiser for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

 

"He can take his endorsement and really shove it as far as I'm concerned," Caprio said on WPRO radio, according to an account on the Providence Journal's Website.

 

 

 

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44118.html#ixzz13hd7AVWu

[Clyde]

One more example of how we've lost respect for the office of the President.

[ladiesbballcoach]

One more example of how we've lost respect for the office of the President.

 

While I understand the governor's feelings on the matter, I agree with you.

[Fastbreak]

One more example of how we've lost respect for the office of the President.

When we have a president appearing on comedy shows, talk shows and other pop culture shows, where the host calls him "Dude" or receiving sexual favors from interns in the Oval Office... how can you possibly blame anyone but the man in the office that is placing himself and the "office of President" in less than honorable positions?

[ladiesbballcoach]

Been thinking about this and when did it actually start.

My guess is the late 60's and LBJ.

The culture was against anything establishment and my guess (I was 3-5 years of age and don't know) was that the drugged out/anti-war scene did not have a lot of nice things to say about LBJ.

Then Nixon came in and well, he took loss of respect to a whole new level.

And then think about it for a second but SNL started and you had Chevy Chase each week lampooning Gerald Ford as a clumsy, buffoon.

Reagan was talked about as an out of touch old guy.

Bush was made fun of by SNL and "read my lips."

Clinton was a train wreck for losing respect from the office.

Society/entertainment has everyone believing that W is an idiot.

And now Obama uses the office to have a beer summit, soon into his term and even members of HIS OWN PARTY is now fed up with his actions.

 

Probably been this way for awhile.

[Fastbreak]

Been thinking about this and when did it actually start.

My guess is the late 60's and LBJ.

The culture was against anything establishment and my guess (I was 3-5 years of age and don't know) was that the drugged out/anti-war scene did not have a lot of nice things to say about LBJ.

Then Nixon came in and well, he took loss of respect to a whole new level.

And then think about it for a second but SNL started and you had Chevy Chase each week lampooning Gerald Ford as a clumsy, buffoon.

Reagan was talked about as an out of touch old guy.

Bush was made fun of by SNL and "read my lips."

Clinton was a train wreck for losing respect from the office.

Society/entertainment has everyone believing that W is an idiot.

And now Obama uses the office to have a beer summit, soon into his term and even members of HIS OWN PARTY is now fed up with his actions.

 

Probably been this way for awhile.

Good timeline... you overlooked Dan Akroyd doing "Jimmuh" Carter on SNL and JFK doing Marilynn Monroe and others wherever he could get away from Jackie... :lol:

[ladiesbballcoach]

Good timeline... you overlooked Dan Akroyd doing "Jimmuh" Carter on SNL and JFK doing Marilynn Monroe and others wherever he could get away from Jackie... :lol:

 

I thought about JFK but without the media blitz liked today, was that even common knowledge for that time period.

 

Yes, it could definitely contribute into how some today view JFK, but just not sure if it created any loss of respect for the office at that time. That is the reason I didn't include it.

 

I did begin to think and wonder if SNL and then the comedy shows that followed have a real contribution to the lack of respect for the office.

[Fastbreak]

I included JFK for precisely the reason you surmized. Yes, he was protected by the media and Secret Service back in the day... although it was not a very well kept secret. Of course, his secrets are public knowledge today. So it was a delayed effect. I actually believe this eased Bill Clinton's conscience in his pursuits to emulate his idol in every way.

 

The simple fact is, people didn't want to believe this about their President... so, there was not quite the same audience for it that we have today. As far as a critical press, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams caught hell from certain publishers of their day.

 

Following the timeline you present, I really believe the modern decrease in respect for the office began with JFK, but didn't manifest until the rebellion of the mid-sixties and early seventies when the Vietnam War was in full swing.

[5wide]

I thought about JFK but without the media blitz liked today, was that even common knowledge for that time period.

 

Yes, it could definitely contribute into how some today view JFK, but just not sure if it created any loss of respect for the office at that time. That is the reason I didn't include it.

 

I did begin to think and wonder if SNL and then the comedy shows that followed have a real contribution to the lack of respect for the office.

 

It may not have contributed at the time, but it would when it is made known. If you look at the progression of how people have generally viewed the office, as you showed in your timeline, I certainly think new information about past that paint them in a bad light would contribute to that trend. Especially if people had a lot of respect for the guy (JFK in this case), and suddenly they find out he was a playboy...they might for the opinion that they're all crooks and jerks and undeserving of respect.

[Clyde]

When we have a president appearing on comedy shows, talk shows and other pop culture shows, where the host calls him "Dude" or receiving sexual favors from interns in the Oval Office... how can you possibly blame anyone but the man in the office that is placing himself and the "office of President" in less than honorable positions?

 

We saw it with President Bush as well. We see it on here when people fail to call him by his title of President. It's not limited to those that go where the voters eyeballs are. It's not new.

[Fastbreak]

We saw it with President Bush as well. We see it on here when people fail to call him by his title of President. It's not limited to those that go where the voters eyeballs are. It's not new.

You know Clyde... having an adulterous affairs in office, is a pretty significant moral flaw to a lot of us... whether with a movie star or with a girl less than half his age. The attitude at the time that "we've all done it" or would if we were in their shoes, so who are we to criticize... does not float. Yes virtually anyone has the opportunity to "fool around"... but not everyone does. Some actually resist the urge or avoid such situations and circumstances entirely.

 

When we get a "wink and a nod" and are told not to make such a big deal out of something that is a very big deal to us, and then watch someone that seems to be a relatively decent guy like GWB get pounded for being a boob, a moron, a monkey in an Armani... it just increases the level of distrust all the way around.

 

I'm not defending any particular position, or saying one is entirely right or wrong. I'm just pointing out what I see as a steady decline in morals and civility in our culture. I know why I believe this is so, but don't have the time or inclination to debate how we're (as a culture) steadily turning our backs on God.

[Clyde]

You know Clyde... having an adulterous affairs in office, is a pretty significant moral flaw to a lot of us... whether with a movie star or with a girl less than half his age. The attitude at the time that "we've all done it" or would if we were in their shoes, so who are we to criticize... does not float. Yes virtually anyone has the opportunity to "fool around"... but not everyone does. Some actually resist the urge or avoid such situations and circumstances entirely.

 

When we get a "wink and a nod" and are told not to make such a big deal out of something that is a very big deal to us, and then watch someone that seems to be a relatively decent guy like GWB get pounded for being a boob, a moron, a monkey in an Armani... it just increases the level of distrust all the way around.

 

I'm not defending any particular position, or saying one is entirely right or wrong. I'm just pointing out what I see as a steady decline in morals and civility in our culture. I know why I believe this is so, but don't have the time or inclination to debate how we're (as a culture) steadily turning our backs on God.

 

Your points have validity. I'm just saying that we're not getting any better at respecting the office like we should.

[Fastbreak]

Your points have validity. I'm just saying that we're not getting any better at respecting the office like we should.

I have no idea how old you are, but I could easily assume you're an old fart like me with such sentimentality... :lol:

 

I know you are aware we are swimming upstream against a growing torrent. I have no doubt it can occur, but it's my personal belief that we will have to return to our cultural and spiritual roots first. There is no other foundation upon which we have stable footing. Anything else is plastic and disposable.

[Clyde]

I have no idea how old you are, but I could easily assume you're an old fart like me with such sentimentality... :lol:

 

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50 is not far off in the distance.

[Fastbreak]

50 is not far off in the distance.

What I figured... I'm there...