Does anyone believe the moon landing was a hoax?

[True blue (and gold)]

Alright, so here's my take on the whole situation.

 

First off I know there are many websites stating evidence of a hoax, and I know that there are just as many debunking the hoax but even then how do we know what the truth is.

 

NO ONE actually seen those men on the moon and I mean no one. Unless you were on the moon with them then I don't want to hear anyone say they seen it happen. Does everyone really believe everything they see on tv? Yes the Apollo took off from the ground but that doesn't mean it actually landed on the moon does it?

 

In the years of prep and actually launch date it cost around $25 billion for the Apollo project, that's a pretty steep price just to land on a rock before the Soviet Union. Since that time NASA has planned 3 more trips since then and all have been canceled due to lack of money. I find it hard to believe that NASA couldn't come up with some sponsor money and all of these television deals to help generate the money. It seems funny that they announce this stuff about going and the closer it gets they cancel.

 

Also, the Soviet Union had launched the spy satellite and Americans freaked out so the American government put together this whole elaborate hoax of landing on the moon to try and "unite Americans" together and it actually worked.

 

I'm going to talk about the picture evidence now, and I know there are many testimonials debunking each picture.

 

*There should have been a larger crater in the moon than what there was. I know the moon is a giant rock but the blast from the shuttle should have made some kind of dent.

 

*Why is the flag waving for? There is no gravity, nor wind on the moon. I read one thing that said the astronauts touched the flag but in all the videos I've watched they didn't "touch" it after they spiked it in the ground. The ripple effect would not have been that smooth.

 

 

Now onto the whole "we taped over the moon landing". Are you serious NASA, you all actually taped over the only original video footage from the Apollo mission. This just provides more controversy for NASA that this happens.

 

What about Buzz refusing to swear on a bible that he actually walked on the moon. Now I know some of you will say that he didn't have to prove anything but if I landed on the moon and I knew I did then I'd have absolutely no problem with putting my hand on the bible and saying so.

 

 

 

I'll have more later but this is it for now. I'm not saying we could never land on the moon but I am saying it's hard to believe that we did in 1969, I don't believe the technology was there and I believe it was a quick setup by the government to lower the concerns put on by the Soviet Union.

 

Each and every argument that you have here has been debunked multiple times. You haven't really done much research if you are arguing "the flag is moving" issue. It's a simply matter of physics and remembering that on the moon that there is no atmosphere, so the motion of an object does not have air resistance to work against, meaning that it doesn't slow down like it does here on Earth.

 

Here is a good place to start to do actual research. http://www.clavius.org/

 

One thing that it doesn't mention is that our progress on the moon was actually tracked by Americans and non-Americans alike, including the Soviets. To this day, lasers are still used/bounced back off mirrors that the Apollo astronauts left behind. Additionally, don't you think that the Soviets were salivating at the chance to show that we didn't land on the moon? However, they KNEW that we did, thus never attempted to denounce us otherwise. End of story.

 

As to Buzz Aldrin "refusing" to swear on a bible...you do know that he was being attacked by an idiot that was declaring that he was a liar and demanding that he swear on a Bible, right? So much an idiot, to be quite honest, that Aldrin punched him and the judge refused to bring charges against him. If Bart Sibrel came up to me and attacked me as he did Aldrin, telling me to swear on a Bible that I am a high school teacher, I wouldn't do it either.

 

Some people want to believe in conspiracy theories. They're fun, right? Doing the actual research to determine an outcome is much harder and most don't want to even try. However, not believing in the truth does not keep it from being true.

[True blue (and gold)]

Keep it coming guys, it doesn't bother me. I think it just makes you all look very close minded on certain subjects that you all want to believe in because of the situation and magnitude it would have on people but clearly have flaws that make them seem like they could have been staged.

 

Close minded or just knowledgeable of basic science? Also, just because something COULD have been staged doesn't mean that it was.

[TrueBlueWildcat]

Each and every argument that you have here has been debunked multiple times. You haven't really done much research if you are arguing "the flag is moving" issue. It's a simply matter of physics and remembering that on the moon that there is no atmosphere, so the motion of an object does not have air resistance to work against, meaning that it doesn't slow down like it does here on Earth.

 

Here is a good place to start to do actual research. http://www.clavius.org/

 

One thing that it doesn't mention is that our progress on the moon was actually tracked by Americans and non-Americans alike, including the Soviets. To this day, lasers are still used/bounced back off mirrors that the Apollo astronauts left behind. Additionally, don't you think that the Soviets were salivating at the chance to show that we didn't land on the moon? However, they KNEW that we did, thus never attempted to denounce us otherwise. End of story.

 

As to Buzz Aldrin "refusing" to swear on a bible...you do know that he was being attacked by an idiot that was declaring that he was a liar and demanding that he swear on a Bible, right? So much an idiot, to be quite honest, that Aldrin punched him and the judge refused to bring charges against him. If Bart Sibrel came up to me and attacked me as he did Aldrin, telling me to swear on a Bible that I am a high school teacher, I wouldn't do it either.

 

Some people want to believe in conspiracy theories. They're fun, right? Doing the actual research to determine an outcome is much harder and most don't want to even try. However, not believing in the truth does not keep it from being true.

 

Funny that some of your arguments don't even match up with some of those from government scientists and other people who have "debunked" these theories.

 

And although I did use the term "debunk" multiple times in my previous posts i should have rephrased and stated that some people provided their side of the story and gave a very interesting rebuttal to the argument.

 

 

Believe me, I have done a lot of research and finding of information regarding this topic. I even did a presentation on it in college.

[TrueBlueWildcat]

Close minded or just knowledgeable of basic science? Also, just because something COULD have been staged doesn't mean that it was.

 

Doesn't that make me knowledgeable as well? Because we are both stating evidence and information for something that we neither one actually seen happen?

[True blue (and gold)]

Doesn't that make me knowledgeable as well? Because we are both stating evidence and information for something that we neither one actually seen happen?

 

What evidence have you presented? All that you have presented is that something should have happened because you THINK it should have happened a certain way. That is not evidence.

[True blue (and gold)]

Funny that some of your arguments don't even match up with some of those from government scientists and other people who have "debunked" these theories.

 

And although I did use the term "debunk" multiple times in my previous posts i should have rephrased and stated that some people provided their side of the story and gave a very interesting rebuttal to the argument.

 

 

Believe me, I have done a lot of research and finding of information regarding this topic. I even did a presentation on it in college.

 

I doubt that you researched it for a science class. If you are using the "flag waving" argument, your presentation would have ignored basic physics.

 

To the bolded, please be specific, rather than just making a wild accusation.

[TrueBlueWildcat]

I doubt that you researched it for a science class. If you are using the "flag waving" argument, your presentation would have ignored basic physics.

 

To the bolded, please be specific, rather than just making a wild accusation.

 

You state about this:

 

It's a simply matter of physics and remembering that on the moon that there is no atmosphere, so the motion of an object does not have air resistance to work against, meaning that it doesn't slow down like it does here on Earth.

 

This comes from NASA's website but it tells more of a simple explanation: Not every waving flag needs a breeze -- at least not in space. When astronauts were planting the flagpole they rotated it back and forth to better penetrate the lunar soil (anyone who's set a blunt tent-post will know how this works). So of course the flag waved! Unfurling a piece of rolled-up cloth with stored angular momentum will naturally result in waves and ripples -- no breeze required!

 

 

 

I still disagree with both and although I don't have the facts YET (going out to eat) I still believe that it COULD have been staged. It's fairly simple process and Americans will believe just about anything. I believe in conspiracies and you believe we went to the moon. See how that worked.

[TrueBlueWildcat]

What evidence have you presented? All that you have presented is that something should have happened because you THINK it should have happened a certain way. That is not evidence.

 

I don't have actual evidence more than certain sites I believe to be more research based than just people who are in their mom's basement.

 

I have another thing I will point out in all of this but it'll have to wait until later.

[TrueBlueWildcat]

And I actually have a couple more that say differently than you about the flag but I am leaving for now.

[Zoot Soup]

In the years of prep and actually launch date it cost around $25 billion for the Apollo project, that's a pretty steep price just to land on a rock before the Soviet Union. Since that time NASA has planned 3 more trips since then and all have been canceled due to lack of money. I find it hard to believe that NASA couldn't come up with some sponsor money and all of these television deals to help generate the money. It seems funny that they announce this stuff about going and the closer it gets they cancel.

 

 

I'm just going to pick and choose what I want to argue. You have to understand this was much MUCH more than "just to land on a rock before the Soviet Union". This was a war, so of course we're going to pump money into it. When the "war" was won, why keep sinking money into it? TV deals of the early 1970's are not like the TV deals of today.

 

And did you notice how everyone tries to debunk the orginal moon landing? Why does no one take issue with the subsequent 5 missions and 10 men that walked afterwards? Are you saying these are a hoax, too?

[75center]

I do. I have quite a few thoughts on this subject as well. I will give more insight to it here in a bit but I wanted to get the topic started.

 

Serious question to what I consider a joke subject. How many people do you think would have to be involved with the hoax over the years?

[75center]

I'm just going to pick and choose what I want to argue. You have to understand this was much MUCH more than "just to land on a rock before the Soviet Union". This was a war, so of course we're going to pump money into it. When the "war" was won, why keep sinking money into it? TV deals of the early 1970's are not like the TV deals of today.

 

And did you notice how everyone tries to debunk the orginal moon landing? Why does no one take issue with the subsequent 5 missions and 10 men that walked afterwards? Are you saying these are a hoax, too?

 

Great point. I've never even considered that aspect. Once you get away with the hoax once, why try to keep doing it knowing the odds increase of your hoax being uncovered.

[True blue (and gold)]

You state about this:

 

It's a simply matter of physics and remembering that on the moon that there is no atmosphere, so the motion of an object does not have air resistance to work against, meaning that it doesn't slow down like it does here on Earth.

 

This comes from NASA's website but it tells more of a simple explanation: Not every waving flag needs a breeze -- at least not in space. When astronauts were planting the flagpole they rotated it back and forth to better penetrate the lunar soil (anyone who's set a blunt tent-post will know how this works). So of course the flag waved! Unfurling a piece of rolled-up cloth with stored angular momentum will naturally result in waves and ripples -- no breeze required!

 

 

 

I still disagree with both and although I don't have the facts YET (going out to eat) I still believe that it COULD have been staged. It's fairly simple process and Americans will believe just about anything. I believe in conspiracies and you believe we went to the moon. See how that worked.

 

My statement certainly is in agreement with what you quoted from the NASA cite. Again, it's simply physics. If you have no facts to back your claims, are you just disagreeing on a hunch?

 

I don't just "believe" that we went to the moon. The FACTS support that we did.

[True blue (and gold)]

I don't have actual evidence more than certain sites I believe to be more research based than just people who are in their mom's basement.

 

I have another thing I will point out in all of this but it'll have to wait until later.

 

Please expand upon the bolded. Additionally, please provide links to these sites that you mention and why you think that they are more research based than others.

[Zoot Soup]

As for the flag issue, show me footage of the flag waving without an astronaut with his hand on it and moving it and I might believe.