Socialist? or Capitalist?

[GunRunner]

I like to think of myself as a socialist, with just a touch of fascism.

 

 

I make it work;)

[iPapi]

I totally agree with the bolded statement. It's a fantastic idea on paper, but there's no way it would actually work, especially in the U.S.

I do believe governement regulations and standards must be in place to have a workable economy, however.

 

I prefer a mixed market economy.

 

Government should have some say regulating the costs of insurance in my opinion. Especially, car insurance and home insurance since it is mandatory a person have those if they own a car or home.

[Ms Liberty]

Socialism will not work in the Real World. It is very good in theory But.........

[Uk4Life]

One of the main problems of a complete or almost free market...

 

Carlos Slim (richest man in the world who is from Mexico)

 

This would be nice if you were the "have" instead of the "have not".

[lynks66]

The energy market in left unregulated is unhealthy. Ask California and some other midwest states, and those involved with Enron.

 

Whether you are Hobbesian or Lockeian (if those are actually words) on the basic nature of mankind, you have to agree that society corrupts the good man and the bad man corrupts society - therefore we enter into a social contract and give up some of our rights (pure greed) for the good of the whole society.

 

Pure market capitalism without regulation or government oversight also gives us the late 1920, early 1930s and the 200os;)

 

Mixed Market Economics is my thing - leaning more to the left.

 

Economies of scale sometimes make programs more efficient so they are better when run by the government.

 

Some would argue that Big Brother and its regulations and oversight had a lot to do with the economic times that you mentioned above. I guess it just depends on where we get our facts.

 

Sometimes I think that Government's main goal is to make us feel like we need it and can't live without it. All of this under the guise of "what's best for the people....."

 

Here are a couple of quotes from one of our late Presidents that relate to this topic somewhat:

 

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves. "

 

"The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."

 

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' "

[shooter]

One of the main problems of a complete or almost free market...

 

Carlos Slim (richest man in the world who is from Mexico)

 

This would be nice if you were the "have" instead of the "have not".

 

 

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings;

the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

 

Winston Churchill

[lynks66]

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings;

the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

 

Winston Churchill

 

I think that sharing and giving are great.

 

I just don't feel that government should control the giving. I feel that individuals and organizations such as churches are much better suited to give.

 

Just my opinion though.

 

l66

[ladiesbballcoach]

I think that sharing and giving are great.

 

I just don't feel that government should control the giving. I feel that individuals and organizations such as churches are much better suited to give.

 

Just my opinion though.

 

l66

My view is that for too long, churches washed their hands of that responsibility and government had to get involved. Now people have come to expect it of government when you are right, it should be the churches doing it.

[lynks66]

My view is that for too long, churches washed their hands of that responsibility and government had to get involved. Now people have come to expect it of government when you are right, it should be the churches doing it.

 

 

 

Or government got involved and then churches backed off of their purpose? Just depends on which happened first I guess, the chicken or the egg? I feel this is another case where government has convinced the public that we need them so much.

 

Now that government is so deeply involved in "society's best interests" I wonder if churches and other private organizations will ever pick up the ball again. Imagine if every person in all of the churches across the country tilthed, would we then finally realize that we don't need government for a tenth of the things that we now depend upon?

[ladiesbballcoach]

Or government got involved and then churches backed off of their purpose? Just depends on which happened first I guess, the chicken or the egg? I feel this is another case where government has convinced the public that we need them so much.

 

Now that government is so deeply involved in "society's best interests" I wonder if churches and other private organizations will ever pick up the ball again. Imagine if every person in all of the churches across the country tilthed, would we then finally realize that we don't need government for a tenth of the things that we now depend upon?

I think you are living in a generation that is trying. Many churches are doing programs aimed at this. It just doesn't get play in the media cause it makes Christians look good. And they only want stories that make Christians look as a huge group of judgemental people that are trying to shove their views down the politically system's throat.

 

Even this President encouraged it by allowing church programs to receive funding through the government despite their Christian ties.

[lynks66]

I think you are living in a generation that is trying. Many churches are doing programs aimed at this. It just doesn't get play in the media cause it makes Christians look good. And they only want stories that make Christians look as a huge group of judgemental people that are trying to shove their views down the politically system's throat.

 

Even this President encouraged it by allowing church programs to receive funding through the government despite their Christian ties.

 

 

I agree with your statements. :thumb:

 

I just wonder what it will take for this to happen. I think that big government has so entrenched the general public's mind to it's dependance on the government that it may never happen.

[Gunner11]

The energy market in left unregulated is unhealthy. Ask California and some other midwest states, and those involved with Enron.

 

Whether you are Hobbesian or Lockeian (if those are actually words) on the basic nature of mankind, you have to agree that society corrupts the good man and the bad man corrupts society - therefore we enter into a social contract and give up some of our rights (pure greed) for the good of the whole society.

 

Pure market capitalism without regulation or government oversight also gives us the late 1920, early 1930s and the 200os;)

 

Mixed Market Economics is my thing - leaning more to the left.

 

Economies of scale sometimes make programs more efficient so they are better when run by the government.

 

Can you give a specific example?

[HHSDad]

Can you give a specific example?

WIC.

[lynks66]

WIC.

 

 

So you feel that this type of program is better run by government than by local private organizations?

[Gunner11]

WIC.

 

I'll agree, although the fact that the program was overbudget in 2005 is not a great sign (maybe it was underfunded, maybe it wasn't, not sure). In general that is my beef with having government involved in the first place, and is the root of my argument as to why government management/intervention in most cases does not work. Corporations have a vested interest in not going "overbudget". If they do they go bankrupt. The government has little to no penalty for going overbudget. Therefore little incentive to manage more efficiently, because of the ability to move money from one line item/pool to another or raise taxes cover any shortfall.