16 hours ago, WestDanville said:

It would take A LOT of transfers to drastically change an athletic budget. 

It would take a principal seeing the need to hire just 1 more teacher to affect the entire budget, not just transfers. Extracurricular budgets get cut all the time because they are EXTRA-curricular, and the purpose of the school is education.

I just had a conversation Tuesday about how the product we put on the field effects the support available for our program, like it or not, fair or not. This is real life and death for small and rural programs.

4 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

High school sports should be about what is best for the student-athletes, not the adults who watch high school sports. Not letting them transfer is not in their best interests, IMO. 

Again your trying so hard to make me out a certain way. I agree with you.... IMO adults and the rules set forth, 95% of the time have the students best interests at heart. It is not in any kids best interests to jump around at will. They are kids.... They don't really know what is important or realistic a lot of the time. As far as letting them transfer, they can currently with several reasons that are acceptable for a move.... Change of address, hardship, coaching issues can even be used as a reason to move.  Again for those in the back, I want them to be able to transfer, I just don't think you need to change the current rule in KY. 

How many instances in the past did the transfer rule work out best for the student? How many instances did a kid not reach his potential at his first school? Obviously, one will be easier to quantify than the other, but there are many instances of each. From my limited amount of data, parents who want to make the transfer work have always made it work for the most part. Moving, legal separation, bullying claims, and a number of other ways that have been used to get it done.  On the flip side, how many times have you seen a freshman thrown in a game to get the varsity "experience" just to make the transfer more difficult. 

The idea of a high school athlete transferring locally has always been messy, it will always be messy. This rule will just let everyone in on the mess.  Will it be pretty? No. Will work out for the best for some kids? yes. Will it be a problem for others? yes.  At the very minimum all transfers will be handled out in the open for a change and everyone will have an idea about how and why.

If you want to use the word messy, use it. But it has always been messy.  

3 minutes ago, FLYGUY said:

Again your trying so hard to make me out a certain way. I agree with you.... IMO adults and the rules set forth, 95% of the time have the students best interests at heart. It is not in any kids best interests to jump around at will. They are kids.... They don't really know what is important or realistic a lot of the time. As far as letting them transfer, they can currently with several reasons that are acceptable for a move.... Change of address, hardship, coaching issues can even be used as a reason to move.  Again for those in the back, I want them to be able to transfer, I just don't think you need to change the current rule in KY. 

I don't think the overwhelming majority are jumping around "at will." They see a need to transfer and they set out to do that. Their reason for transferring really isn't anybody's business, IMO. 

I've said numerous times on this issue that if we don't care how non-athletes move around, then we shouldn't care about how athletes move. 

3 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

I don't think the overwhelming majority are jumping around "at will." They see a need to transfer and they set out to do that. Their reason for transferring really isn't anybody's business, IMO. 

I've said numerous times on this issue that if we don't care how non-athletes move around, then we shouldn't care about how athletes move. 

This. Nobody cares if John or Jane who has a 4.0 GPA transfers to the school across town with a better college prep program. If John or Jane plays a sport and transfers across town to play for a school with better athletic opportunities it’s an outrage. Either care about every student transfer or stop regulating it whatsoever. 

 

20 hours ago, TheDeuce said:

Completely in support of this. If you want to transfer and a school has a spot for you, you should be able to. 

As long as they pay that districts tuition if a non resident right?

Just now, 9068 said:

As long as they pay that districts tuition if a non resident right?

Absolutely. We are talking strictly about the KHSAA allowing kids to play after a transfer. 

Whether or not the school can/will accept the student, tuition, etc. are all completely separate conversations. 

16 hours ago, ChiefSmoke said:

In the case of football, this would lead to smaller/struggling programs dropping football all together. If the better players flow out of the struggling programs, those left behind will often choose not to play. Football is already a tough sport. When you are not winning, it goes to an entirely different level.

Because football is so expensive, this may be on the horizon for many, already.

All things being considered, if football is only played at some schools, that may not be the end of the world.

The bigger issue that I am curious about, what happens to the schools that lose enrollment and struggle to even function. Does a county school get shut down?  If that happens, does that mean those students must travel to another school, or have to take their classes online?

With the costs of teacher pay, benefits, and retirement.... are there already avenues being explored where schools will need fewer staff members to function?

I really don't have all the answers and I know that. But, if the gap continues to widen between the haves and have nots, it is going to spill in to more than just who wins a football game.

Right on as usual Chief. Myriad of issues. Big bottom line....less legal challenges/issues for KHSAA.

6 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

Absolutely. We are talking strictly about the KHSAA allowing kids to play after a transfer. 

Whether or not the school can/will accept the student, tuition, etc. are all completely separate conversations. 

I think this is a big key.....its not like these kids are getting a free pass and getting to transfer to a school free of charge.  They will still have to 1. get accepted as an out of district student 2. Pay out of district tuition (which by the way is a great potential resource for the district if they are tight on budget).

Forgive me for my ignorance but doesn't this basically level the playing field between Public vs Private schools.

I mean if we aren't going to go with a Private Athletic class and a Public Athletic class doesn't this just open the door to the Public schools to be able to accept students if they jump thru the proper channels, to level the playing field? 

I am wondering if generally speaking paying Out of District Tuition to a Public school might be cheaper than paying Private School Tuition......

4 minutes ago, FrankNicodemus said:

I think this is a big key.....its not like these kids are getting a free pass and getting to transfer to a school free of charge.  They will still have to 1. get accepted as an out of district student 2. Pay out of district tuition (which by the way is a great potential resource for the district if they are tight on budget).

Frank, as a resident Bluebird, how will the community,(not you or other FT faithful) handle 5-7 transfers that lead you to the promised land while Johnny goes to the sidelines and Mary doesn't see the court or soccer pitch? I know, academic reasons.

12 minutes ago, FrankNicodemus said:

I think this is a big key.....its not like these kids are getting a free pass and getting to transfer to a school free of charge.  They will still have to 1. get accepted as an out of district student 2. Pay out of district tuition (which by the way is a great potential resource for the district if they are tight on budget).

I agree. Kids can't transfer to places that either won't accept them or don't have room. It's not the free for all some are trying to make it out to be. It simply gives people a choice. 

3 minutes ago, 9068 said:

Frank, as a resident Bluebird, how will the community,(not you or other FT faithful) handle 5-7 transfers that lead you to the promised land while Johnny goes to the sidelines and Mary doesn't see the court or soccer pitch? I know, academic reasons.

Now your hitting me where it counts "my in district kids".  If my kids are going to want to compete (even against out of district transferred students) they better put the work on and off the field to make sure they get the opportunities that they want.  You inject potentially better players into the system hopefully that will drive everybody to get better.  But to your point, ask me this question again if this comes to fruition LOL.

GO BIRDS!

1 hour ago, BlueRaider said:

I always hate comparing kids to adults argument because they are not adults. Coaches and Players should not be compared. It is a completely different point of life. What coaches do is separate from the conversation about kids transferring. 

But if a comparison is to be made, then we must look and realize that IF coaches want to get to better situations (jobs) in their life then they must make the best and work hard through the situation that they are currently in!  You work hard at the program that you are in SO THAT you can improve your spot in life and move to a greater position... This is the same thing that we get with college recruiting. You work your tail off to shine in a worse program to then stand out to college opportunities. 

Also if a head coach sees that a different coach is constantly jumping around to different programs at the high school level and that the coach can never commit to a program longer than a year or two, then no one will hire them (unless desperate) because there would be red flags about their character and who they are as a person... College coaches do this all of the time, that is the nature of coaching college football, but High school coaches do not because the high school football culture is completely different than the college football culture. 

We as adults cannot keep solving all of our kids problems without ever teaching them to work solve them on their own. That is not an accurate representation of what life will be like once they get out of school.

Also, I don't see it making schools work to improve their football program to retain kids. Administrators who don't support sports truly don't see the importance of them as it relates to academics. I doubt most of those who don't understand the value of football would be phased at all to lose football or to have their football team struggle. 

You are right in that kids are not adults. As an adult and as a parent, it's my job and responsibility to prepare my kid for the real world the best way I know how. If my kid is a next level Tuba player and his current school doesn't have a good band program, what should I do? Continue to give him poor training, and tell him to make the best of it? What if my kid loves accounting, yet his current school doesn't offer business courses? Just let the chips fall where they may and hope something good happens? On one hand I do agree with you...we can't always fix everything for our kids. But we also have to do right by our kids. And leaving them in a situation where they aren't receiving what they need, would be negligent on my part. For what it's worth, I was told by many that I should have sent my kids somewhere other than where they went. But I left them is the school they were supposed to attend because I felt it was the right fit and situation for them. And if had felt they would have been in a better situation elsewhere, I absolutely would have sent them to a different school.

It seems that most are looking at this from the standpoint that these transfers are happening due to lack of playing time or being upset with a coach. If that's the case, the the elite programs stand to gain nothing, because if a kid can't play below an average high school, he certainly won't play at an elite high school. I think that the idea behind most of these transfers is to provide something they aren't receiving. While I do agree that some of these transfers may be misguided, many also are not. I'm definitely not a fan of kids hopping around, or transferring on a whim. I live in a district that has open enrollment amongst the 3 high schools, and also has very good private schools to choose from (Kenton County), and yet those three high schools are managing to survive. Yes, we do lose kids. But those schools still manage to get/keep good athletes, so I don't believe it will be as bad as some think. There might be an initial uptick, but people will quickly find the grass isn't always greener, and that there are only so many spots on each team available.

27 minutes ago, FrankNicodemus said:

I think this is a big key.....its not like these kids are getting a free pass and getting to transfer to a school free of charge.  They will still have to 1. get accepted as an out of district student 2. Pay out of district tuition (which by the way is a great potential resource for the district if they are tight on budget).

Most schools are open enrollment so there is no tuition anymore.