12 Team Playoff Is Coming

[theguru]

College football has the perfect set up to use a RPI like system to determine the rankings and therefore the teams that get in the playoffs.

So RPI system, 16 team playoff, salary cap, one year like hoops is all you have to stay, and a players union. 

[nikeman49]

Not happening.

[16thBBall Fan]

Yea I just saw no agreement was reached to expand the CFP.

[Jumper_Dad]

Everyone wants the playoffs expanded because face it, Alabama/SEC has dominated the current format. The argument is that with more teams included there would probably be a more diverse list of champions. Some say the more teams and more rounds there are would guarantee that there would be upsets and less favorites winning. Just like March Madness, more teams more chances to win. College football needs a playoff to level the playing field.

Well it just so happens that College Football already has a playoff system in place. 

Check out the results. Lots of parity there...lol.

 

[TheDeuce]

12 hours ago, Jumper_Dad said:

The argument is that with more teams included there would probably be a more diverse list of champions.

This is the biggest misconception with expansion, IMO. How often does the #16 team in the nation beat the #1 team in the nation? It's extremely rare. 

Even if #1 gets knocked off, you still have a Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia, etc that will win. What's different?

[cincyswords]

3 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

This is the biggest misconception with expansion, IMO. How often does the #16 team in the nation beat the #1 team in the nation? It's extremely rare. 

Even if #1 gets knocked off, you still have a Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia, etc that will win. What's different?

In all honesty you will still see the same "rotation" in the championship game most years as this allows a team that might have had an "off" game to still get in.  Ohio State this year is a prime example.  

[bugatti]

12 hours ago, Jumper_Dad said:

Everyone wants the playoffs expanded because face it, Alabama/SEC has dominated the current format. The argument is that with more teams included there would probably be a more diverse list of champions. Some say the more teams and more rounds there are would guarantee that there would be upsets and less favorites winning. Just like March Madness, more teams more chances to win. College football needs a playoff to level the playing field.

Well it just so happens that College Football already has a playoff system in place. 

Check out the results. Lots of parity there...lol.

 

As the resident NDSU fan, in 2010 NDSU was probably the second best team in the country. In 2016 NDSU was the second best team in the FCS, losing as the overall #1 seed in a close matchup against JMU in the semis. 2020 (Spring '21, actually) I don't count because it was the weird COVID spring season with teams opting out, bizarre happenings, cancellations, etc. NDSU lost to Sam Houston in the quarters by a score in the final minute. NDSU was probably the third best team in the country.

[bugatti]

5 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

This is the biggest misconception with expansion, IMO. How often does the #16 team in the nation beat the #1 team in the nation? It's extremely rare. 

Even if #1 gets knocked off, you still have a Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia, etc that will win. What's different?

It happens, but it is normally a situation where the #1 team is on the road in a hostile environment. Like Bama at A&M this year. And let's be real. The #16 team with AQs might only be the #45 team in the country if we are allowing a MAC or Mountain West winner in, which is what people want. They have visions they are going to get March Madness.

[bugatti]

https://sports.yahoo.com/se-cs-chokehold-on-football-will-tighten-if-rose-bowl-sunsets-and-other-trivialities-are-prioritized-over-cfp-expansion-001608263.html

 

The playoff won’t directly weaken the SEC (indeed, the league will do fine under almost any system). It will, however, make other places stronger. Had the 12-team format been in place rather than the four-team field, the Big Ten would have secured the most bids and places such as Wisconsin would have hosted games three different times. That would help.

The commissioners of the Big Ten, Pac-12 and ACC acknowledge this. What are they doing with a 12-team playoff proposal sitting on their doorstep like an unwrapped gift though?

Screwing it up.

The Pac-12 wants to protect the Rose Bowl’s television slot. The Big Ten is hung up on whether the six automatic bids should go to the six highest-rated conference champions or the so-called Power 5 leagues, plus the best of the rest (a distinction with hardly any practical difference). The ACC is trying to bully Notre Dame into becoming a full-time member so it can then renegotiate its horrific long-term TV contract.

In other words, fiddling while the sport burns.

Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby, who is pushing hard for the 12-team format, decried the “parochiality” of the other leagues that are “more concerned about their own silos.”

The SEC, meanwhile, is willing to go to 12, but keeps popping championship Champagne and signing the best players with the status quo. “I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but we’re doing very well in the current system,” commissioner Greg Sankey quipped on Monday.

Sankey keeps shaking his head while watching conferences that desperately need expansion block expansion over small and often insignificant reasons. This is folly. This is ridiculous. Every year of the four-team playoff the SEC has moved further from the pack. The SEC is 12-3 in playoff games facing non-SEC competition, including six consecutive wins by an average of 23.5 points.

Yet you don't want to do everything possible to address that?

And what of 2026, when the four-team agreement ends? Why would anyone think – especially after the additions of Oklahoma and Texas – the SEC will still be willing to play ball like it is now? Maybe the conference is so untouchable by then, it breaks off into its own playoff, or it even leaves the NCAA entirely, or takes a few more select schools here or there?

That’s the risk taken to protect the Rose Bowl’s sunset or die on a 5+1 hill?

[REALSPORT]

Football ain't basketball.  Everyone knows that but want to overlook it.  Call me a traditionalist but I miss when bowls mattered to teams and players.  Take the human element out, go to an RPI type ranking and let the top 2 play in a championship game.  And play the damn thing on New Years day.  

[ChickenWyngz]

1 minute ago, REALSPORT said:

Football ain't basketball.  Everyone knows that but want to overlook it.  Call me a traditionalist but I miss when bowls mattered to teams and players.  Take the human element out, go to an RPI type ranking and let the top 2 play in a championship game.  And play the damn thing on New Years day.  

How does this make more bowls matter though? We simply live in a different time that views any bowl besides a playoff game as a lesser bowl. Players opting out and viewing bowls as lesser games isn't going to go away. 

[REALSPORT]

1 minute ago, ChickenWyngz said:

How does this make more bowls matter though? We simply live in a different time that views any bowl besides a playoff game as a lesser bowl. Players opting out and viewing bowls as lesser games isn't going to go away. 

Unfortunately, you are correct. 

[brown4]

2 hours ago, REALSPORT said:

Football ain't basketball.  Everyone knows that but want to overlook it.  Call me a traditionalist but I miss when bowls mattered to teams and players.  Take the human element out, go to an RPI type ranking and let the top 2 play in a championship game.  And play the damn thing on New Years day.  

So if you want bowl games to matter, and in today's world that seems to only be the playoffs, wouldn't you want the playoff to be expanded?  More playoff teams = more games that matter to teams and players.

[Walter]

 

[nikeman49]

Looks like not happening anytime soon.