37 minutes ago, theguru said:

Also to add to this, the CDC just said that the overwhelming number of deaths, over 75%, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities.  Additionally sorting through this, it appears that COVID being the only cause of death is less than 10% of the deaths and comorbidities come into play in close to 95% of the deaths.  

I think I have this right everyone, either way, you get the idea.

My view on comorbidities is very simple. If that person did not get COVID, would they still be alive? If the answer is yes, COVID is the cause of death. The comorbidities should be listed but cause of death was COVID.

9 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

My view on comorbidities is very simple. If that person did not get COVID, would they still be alive? If the answer is yes, COVID is the cause of death. The comorbidities should be listed but cause of death was COVID.

Or maybe COVID was one comorbidity too many meaning if they didn't have one or more of the other comorbidities COVID would not have caused death. 

Just now, theguru said:

Or maybe COVID was one comorbidity too many meaning if they didn't have one or more of the other comorbidities COVID would not have caused death. 

If they would still be alive, the comorbidity did not cause their death.

1 minute ago, Voice of Reason said:

If they would still be alive, the comorbidity did not cause their death.

I think you are playing a game of semantics now.  All comorbidities including COVID are straws on a camels back that eventually reaches a breaking point. 

2 minutes ago, theguru said:

I think you are playing a game of semantics now.  All comorbidities including COVID are straws on a camels back that eventually reaches a breaking point. 

 Sure, it is semantics to some extent. Comorbidities obviously increase risk of the severity of impact of COVID on someone. But I think it is disingenuous to say the comorbidity was the cause of death.

26 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

 Sure, it is semantics to some extent. Comorbidities obviously increase risk of the severity of impact of COVID on someone. But I think it is disingenuous to say the comorbidity was the cause of death.

Clearly it is a combination of COVID and comorbidities in these cases but I think it is disingenuous to say COVID was the cause of death if multiple comorbidities are present too.

5 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

My question is specifically trying to find out how people classify deaths when there is a "comorbidity" issue. It can be a pre-existing heart condition, it can be cancer (even in remission), it can be any other existing health condition a person has. If the person with an existing health issue gets COVID and dies, what is the cause of death?

Okay, following that line. You have a cancer patient who has a seriously compromised immune system which is the result of their medical treatment. The cancer patient becomes ill with a common cold. The cold progresses and the cancer patient develops an acute respirator infection resulting in eventual multiple organ failure. The cancer patient dies in spite of the efforts of the medical staff. The question is what did the cancer patient die from or to phrase it another way, What killed the patient?

A. The Cancer.

B. The common cold.

C. Multiple organ failure.

D. The medical staff who provided medical care.

E. The patient who may not have isolated their self properly.

F. All of the above.

G. A through E.

People are trying to put square pegs in round holes and running with the narrative that hospitals, et al. that give COVID diagnosis are only listing COVID as a cause of death. This took off on social media some time back.... but that's not how CODs work.

Again, for our skeptic crowd, use 19%.

6 minutes ago, bugatti said:

Again, for our skeptic crowd, use 19%.

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The # of deaths by only COVID is low. Single digits low. That is only breaking news to those that have not paid any attention. But 19% (lowly) covers COVID being a major contributing death factor and asks for skeptics to give just a little....

People are getting too caught up in semantics and trying to parse data together they really don't understand. And yes, that includes me not fully understanding many things with this.

6 minutes ago, bugatti said:

The # of deaths by only COVID is low. Single digits low. That is only breaking news to those that have not paid any attention. But 19% (lowly) covers COVID being a major contributing death factor and asks for skeptics to give just a little....

People are getting too caught up in semantics and trying to parse data together they really don't understand. And yes, that includes me not fully understanding many things with this.

We agree and I also think your 19% rule is excellent and I am going to steal it and use it as my own. 

On 1/7/2022 at 8:00 PM, Tigerpride94 said:

142.15 today.

160.74 today.

12 hours ago, theguru said:

Also to add to this, the CDC just said that the overwhelming number of deaths, over 75%, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities.  Additionally sorting through this, it appears that COVID being the only cause of death is less than 10% of the deaths and comorbidities come into play in close to 95% of the deaths.  

I think I have this right everyone, either way, you get the idea.

That sort of talk could have got you suspended from social media just a few months ago. 

Louisville waste water.

Throughout the pandemic I have been very serious about the topic but never truly concerned about my well being or that of family members. I have family members who fit the high risk category and have even known a couple people who passed away with COVID, but had some pretty serious preexisting things going on.

This surge has my mind in an entirely different place. I know it is supposed to be much more mild, but it seems to truly be everywhere. I think my mindset in the past was set by the fact that it always seemed pretty distant. It was a shock when you heard someone was positive. This wave I feel like absolutely everyone I know lives with someone who is positive, is positive themselves, etc. It seems like it's absolutely screaming in my face.