I don't have a dog in this fight, and I clearly don't know what did or did not happen or what was or wasn't said. In addition, I am older than most on here, I believe, and I am fairly old school. But I struggle with the notion that it is alright for an adult in a coaching position to engage in certain behavior because high school kids engage in the same conduct.

 

Well spoken, Nice post

Nobody said he got fired...it is certainly possible that he decided that because of the way this situation was handled, that he wanted no part of a system that would handle a situation this way and just left it all. Can't blame him for that....

 

We don't really know what went on behind the closed doors, but I'm pretty sure Brad Carr did not get "fired"....I'm also fairly sure he chose a path of his own volition....while he may have been wrong in what he did, he may have been more principled in his decision than the system was in theirs...little food for thought.

 

Would you agree that Officially Coach Carr resigned but had he not resigned it was highly likely he would have been fired?

I have read this entire thread and just wanted to say that my son Mi'Rell was a first year player this past season under Coach Carr. I felt he used him in different roles during the season which at times to me looked like Mi'Rell was lost. So I scheduled a meeting with Coach Carr to get a better understanding of exactly what his role was because when I asked my son he told me one thing but during the meeting I found out something different. Coach Carr started out by praising my son then he told us what he needed to work on by showing different film clips that made it very clear for me to see what his role was. Coach Carr pushed my son to be the best he could be and we both agreed thats what we wanted. But what touched me the most was that Coach Carr would text my son to check on him many times to check to see if he needed one on one time with him to go over plays. Coach Carr always had an open door policy when Mi'Rell needed him. He even took time out from his family to help him understand his Anathomy assignments that he was having a hard time with. So it is very sad how all of this has turned out. I Thank Coach Carr for being that extra support that my son needed and wish him and his family nothing but the best. From the Englemon family be Blessed !!

You gotta be careful as a coach these days in regards to what you say to kids these days. Not saying it's right or wrong. It's just the way things are now. If you can't say it in the classroom (or any other workplace setting) you probably shouldn't say it on the practice field/court or during games.

 

Not gonna change my ways to suit parents.

Not gonna change my ways to suit parents.

 

Not saying you have to. For me, I've found I can be just as effective without being the guy that curses and yells all the time. And while there will always be parents that don't like you and want you gone, they won't have nearly as much to work with if you just clean up your language and not insult the kids.

 

Again though, different strokes for different folks. I think though, if a coach wants to stay in the game, he/she will have to evolve some from the old school methods.

I know by age that these boys are called kids but by the time these boys are 16-18 years old, they are young men. They are a head taller and a foot wider than most of their coaches. I went to school in the seventies and players now are bigger, stronger, faster and more mature than back then. We had some "kids" do some very adult things at Mason this year. Maybe we should have yelled at these "kids" more.

I am neutral on the coaches cussing at kids but this is what I always go back to:

 

1) I've never had a boss cuss me out like I've coaches do players.

2) if it is done to draw out an emotion, will you let players say it when they get emotional?

3) be disciplined in all things. Don't have to cuss to be effective.

I'm not in a place to agree with what was said by Brad, but know, for a fact, that it happens EVERYWHERE. The cheap shot was recording it and using it to get a good guy removed from a position where he was a positive influence on anyone wanting to do what was required of them by someone looking for an easy way out and not willing to put in work to get their PT.

 

It may happen a lot, but it doesn't happen everywhere.

I don't have a problem with coaches doing it but it looks unprofessional considering they are also teachers.

Not saying you have to. For me, I've found I can be just as effective without being the guy that curses and yells all the time. And while there will always be parents that don't like you and want you gone, they won't have nearly as much to work with if you just clean up your language and not insult the kids.

 

Again though, different strokes for different folks. I think though, if a coach wants to stay in the game, he/she will have to evolve some from the old school methods.

 

I stay away from it as much as possible but it does come out. Fortunately, nobody has ever complained either.

It's obvious Coach Carr cares about his kids, but that doesn't excuse what he apparently said. This is high school sports, and as an educator, I feel like you need to use the same type of language you would use or allow in the high school classroom. I feel like a good coach can get a team fired up and motivated without the language.

 

The "words" I've heard tossed around (and inappropriate language in general) would get my athletes extra running if I heard them being used in practice. Needless to say, it wouldn't set a good example for me to turn around in use said language. No doubt these teenagers use the language, so I think we need to teach them they can have conversations without it.

Here kitty kitty!

 

And this unfortunate comment highlights the bigger problem some of us have with the word(s) that were allegedly used: it's disrespectful to women on several levels, something I'd rather not teach young men on or off the court.

We are ignoring the important issue ?

I have read this entire thread and just wanted to say that my son Mi'Rell was a first year player this past season under Coach Carr. I felt he used him in different roles during the season which at times to me looked like Mi'Rell was lost. So I scheduled a meeting with Coach Carr to get a better understanding of exactly what his role was because when I asked my son he told me one thing but during the meeting I found out something different. Coach Carr started out by praising my son then he told us what he needed to work on by showing different film clips that made it very clear for me to see what his role was. Coach Carr pushed my son to be the best he could be and we both agreed thats what we wanted. But what touched me the most was that Coach Carr would text my son to check on him many times to check to see if he needed one on one time with him to go over plays. Coach Carr always had an open door policy when Mi'Rell needed him. He even took time out from his family to help him understand his Anathomy assignments that he was having a hard time with. So it is very sad how all of this has turned out. I Thank Coach Carr for being that extra support that my son needed and wish him and his family nothing but the best. From the Englemon family be Blessed !!

 

I never approached my sons coaches. I always told them if they had an issue with playing time. Or the coach, they needed to address it with the coach. It wasn't my issue, it was theirs. I was not at every practice, I was not in the know of the game plan. Part of them growing up. I was willing to give them advise of how to approach the coach, but it was their issue to deal with.

Parents not willing to cut the cord are a big part of the issue.

And this unfortunate comment highlights the bigger problem some of us have with the word(s) that were allegedly used: it's disrespectful to women on several levels, something I'd rather not teach young men on or off the court.

 

Consider the source as it speaks volumes